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jame-e

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #390 - Jun 13^th, 2011 at 8:43pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 8:12pm:

jame-e wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 8:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 3:30pm:

Whats the difference between science and a belief?

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 3:30pm:

If you are stupid enough to ask that question hen you are too stupid to comprehend the answer.

Try me.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 3:30pm:

We have polllies and writers desperately seeking a carbon tax and pronouncing how it will save the world and so on.

Extreme hyperbole right there, who pronounces that it will 'save the world'?

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 3:30pm:

yet in every single example of it being in use anywhere inthe world it has totally failed to acheive any of its objectives. Know this, what kind of person continues to push for a policy that is already known to NOT WORK?? Idealogues. EXtremists. rational people would suggest a different methodology.

We have been through this and you have failed to demonstrate this 'total failure'.
All sides of politics in Australia have recognised the need to lower emissions. There is a debate about the best way to do this.
It does not matter if you like it or not, believe in it or not, there is broad agreement in this country that a ETS/carbon tax is the best way to lower emissions. Broad agreement outside of politics obviously, but Turnbull has made things interesting.
Considering also what the rest of the world is doing i fail to see the extremism in the desire for a carbon tax.

Even if you don’t belive the science, i find it amazing that you think a carbon tax is extreme.What would a desire to shut down all powerstaions and go back to wood fires and kerosene be considered?
Super duper extreme? Is there a more extreme word than extreme?

Ive explained this more times than you can understand. I opposed the carbon tax because it DOES NOT WORK. let me try this again...

THE CARBON TAX DOES NOT REDUCE CO2 EMISSIONS.

it has been tried and failed. The EU said exactly that. Phase one of their ETS has not reduced emissions AT ALL. it did not reduce the rate of increaese either. it had ZERO EFFECT. this is also the experience of other countries.

You are probably too young to remember how the massive smog pollution from cars was ended. modern cars now produce 1/10,000 the amount of their 1970s equivalents. How do you think that major problem was fixed? let me give you a clue. They didnt tax emissions. They legislated their way around it. and voila! it worked. Amazing, aint it!

Yes it is amazing. It would be even more amazing to stay on point.
the point of interest here is if support for a carbon tax is extreme.
So you do have an alternative to the carbon tax. Legislate. Thats much less extreme than a carbon tax. Undecided

Before using the EU as an example, as i have said in the past, you need to progress past your training wheels.
Phase 1 leads to phase 2 leads to phase 3 - You can sing it if you like.
You can not judge the outcome of a process when the process has not finished Dilbert.

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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #391 - Jun 13^th, 2011 at 8:54pm

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

The fact is the world needs to embrace renewable energy and stop relying on fossil fuel.....I have no idea if climate change will cause the damage that it has been claimed will happen but can we afford to ignore what the majority of scientists are telling us.....The question is which generation will suffer the burden of change???

When you know a thing, to hold that you know it; and when you do not know a thing, to allow that you do not know it - this is knowledge.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC), The Confucian Analects

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)

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Cliff Richard Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 558	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #392 - Jun 13^th, 2011 at 9:22pm
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #393 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 8:18am Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 9:22pm: http://i53.tinypic.com/53mhic.jpg good effort but predictably lame.
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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #394 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 9:33am I LOL'ed. In terms of context, it was a hell of a less lame than your Dilbert efforts!
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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #395 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 9:46am

astro_surf wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 9:33am:

I LOL'ed. In terms of context, it was a hell of a less lame than your Dilbert efforts! Grin

I think I understand now the reason you hold so many erroneous opinions. You actually DONT understand what people write. you read the words but only comprehend your own opinion. you are a bit like the statistical model for the hockey stick graph. It doesnt matter what data goes in, the ouput is always the same.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism Reply #396 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 9:51am longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 9:46am: I think I understand now the reason you hold so many erroneous opinions. Thos coming from a guy who rejects basic physics because it conflicts with his political beliefs. Tell us again the one about CO2 being a FUNCTION of temperature!
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Re: Avoiding Climate Extremism
Reply #397 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 5:17pm

astro_surf wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 9:51am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 9:46am:

I think I understand now the reason you hold so many erroneous opinions.

Thos coming from a guy who rejects basic physics because it conflicts with his political beliefs. Tell us again the one about CO2 being a FUNCTION of temperature! Grin

IM not the only scientist who believes that. remember thaty most of the great scientific discoveries were MINORITY opinions. dont get so up yourself. you certainly dont have any clue about science and how it is debated and discovered.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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