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Reply #60 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 12:48pm
 
Several of Australia's top climate change scientists at the Australian National University have been subjected to a campaign of death threats, forcing the university to tighten security.

Several of the scientists in Canberra have been moved to a more secure location after receiving the threats over their research.

Vice-chancellor Professor Ian Young says the scientists have received large numbers of emails, including death threats and abusive phone calls, threatening to attack the academics in the street if they continue their research.

He says it has been happening for the past six months and the situation has worsened significantly in recent weeks.

"Obviously climate research is an emotive issue at the present time," he said.

"These are issues where we should have a logical public debate and it's completely intolerable that people be subjected to this sort of abuse and to threats like this.

"I think it is totally outrageous and the vast majority of Australians would think it is totally unacceptable for anybody in society to be subjected to this sort of behaviour."

Professor Young says the outrageous behaviour has left the scientists shaken.

"Academics and scientists are actually really not equipped to be treated in this way," he said.

"The whole scientific process is one of open debate and discussion, but the concept that you would be threatened for your scientific views and work is something that is completely foreign to them."

He says the climate change issue is emotive, but all the key players should take a breath and debate the issue calmly.

The Australian Federal Police says it is aware of the issue, but there is no investigation underway.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/04/3235561.htm

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Reply #61 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 12:57pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 9:45am:
yours is an extremist position and can be ignored as such. arrogant belief that the science is settled sets you up for a massive fall. Especially when every single climate prediction made has spectacularly failed to materialise. if the science were 'settled' then predictive models would be accurate. if it were 'settled' there would be no room for scientists to point out the rather embararssing flaws in so many statements - eg the ice caps sliding off into the sea. quite simply, if the science were 'settled' there woudl be absolute proof available - but there isnt.


Absolute nonsense. On just about every metric you can choose changes are accelerating much faster than the models ever projected. Most climate change predictions have been far too conservative:

Here's just two examples:

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Reply #62 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:13pm
 
Please delete wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 12:48pm:
Several of Australia's top climate change scientists at the Australian National University have been subjected to a campaign of death threats, forcing the university to tighten security.

Several of the scientists in Canberra have been moved to a more secure location after receiving the threats over their research.

Vice-chancellor Professor Ian Young says the scientists have received large numbers of emails, including death threats and abusive phone calls, threatening to attack the academics in the street if they continue their research.

He says it has been happening for the past six months and the situation has worsened significantly in recent weeks.

"Obviously climate research is an emotive issue at the present time," he said.

"These are issues where we should have a logical public debate and it's completely intolerable that people be subjected to this sort of abuse and to threats like this.

"I think it is totally outrageous and the vast majority of Australians would think it is totally unacceptable for anybody in society to be subjected to this sort of behaviour."

Professor Young says the outrageous behaviour has left the scientists shaken.

"Academics and scientists are actually really not equipped to be treated in this way," he said.

"The whole scientific process is one of open debate and discussion, but the concept that you would be threatened for your scientific views and work is something that is completely foreign to them."

He says the climate change issue is emotive, but all the key players should take a breath and debate the issue calmly.

The Australian Federal Police says it is aware of the issue, but there is no investigation underway.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/04/3235561.htm

I hope this isn't a repost.



It would seem the faithful are taking Abbott's statements to oppose the carbon tax to the extreme......Why are those from the right always so adverse to solving their problems with violence and equating every solution to their own personal well being......What will be achieved by silencing the scientific community.....Conservatism opposes a great deal of scientific research based on misguided principles and moral objection due to blind ignorance.....How insecure are the deniers in their beliefs that they are trying to shoot the messenger.....No wonder the world is always forced to defend itself against the extremism of conservatism which is nothing more than fundamentalist bullshit.....Change is eneviatable and so is the conservative opposition to anything new!!!

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882 - 1945), radio address, Oct. 26, 1939

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Reply #63 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:44pm
 
astro_surf wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 9:45am:
yours is an extremist position and can be ignored as such. arrogant belief that the science is settled sets you up for a massive fall. Especially when every single climate prediction made has spectacularly failed to materialise. if the science were 'settled' then predictive models would be accurate. if it were 'settled' there would be no room for scientists to point out the rather embararssing flaws in so many statements - eg the ice caps sliding off into the sea. quite simply, if the science were 'settled' there woudl be absolute proof available - but there isnt.


Absolute nonsense. On just about every metric you can choose changes are accelerating much faster than the models ever projected. Most climate change predictions have been far too conservative:

Here's just two examples:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/SLR_models_obs.gif


http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Arctic_models_obs.gif


So you are saying that the models were totally wrong then? and what about the sea level models?? the fact remains that a 'settled science' would have reliable and repeatable predictions. Climate models have neither.

But you still havent addressed the issues in the OP because you ARE an extremist without a willingness to even consider views outsied your narrow hysterical position.
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Reply #64 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:47pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:13pm:
Please delete wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 12:48pm:
Several of Australia's top climate change scientists at the Australian National University have been subjected to a campaign of death threats, forcing the university to tighten security.

Several of the scientists in Canberra have been moved to a more secure location after receiving the threats over their research.

Vice-chancellor Professor Ian Young says the scientists have received large numbers of emails, including death threats and abusive phone calls, threatening to attack the academics in the street if they continue their research.

He says it has been happening for the past six months and the situation has worsened significantly in recent weeks.

"Obviously climate research is an emotive issue at the present time," he said.

"These are issues where we should have a logical public debate and it's completely intolerable that people be subjected to this sort of abuse and to threats like this.

"I think it is totally outrageous and the vast majority of Australians would think it is totally unacceptable for anybody in society to be subjected to this sort of behaviour."

Professor Young says the outrageous behaviour has left the scientists shaken.

"Academics and scientists are actually really not equipped to be treated in this way," he said.

"The whole scientific process is one of open debate and discussion, but the concept that you would be threatened for your scientific views and work is something that is completely foreign to them."

He says the climate change issue is emotive, but all the key players should take a breath and debate the issue calmly.

The Australian Federal Police says it is aware of the issue, but there is no investigation underway.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/04/3235561.htm

I hope this isn't a repost.



It would seem the faithful are taking Abbott's statements to oppose the carbon tax to the extreme......Why are those from the right always so adverse to solving their problems with violence and equating every solution to their own personal well being......What will be achieved by silencing the scientific community.....Conservatism opposes a great deal of scientific research based on misguided principles and moral objection due to blind ignorance.....How insecure are the deniers in their beliefs that they are trying to shoot the messenger.....No wonder the world is always forced to defend itself against the extremism of conservatism which is nothing more than fundamentalist bullshit.....Change is eneviatable and so is the conservative opposition to anything new!!!

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882 - 1945), radio address, Oct. 26, 1939

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I think the OP was written with you in mind. Extremism to the core and not a rational balanced thought anywhere to be seen.
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Reply #65 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 3:35pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:44pm:
So you are saying that the models were totally wrong then? and what about the sea level models?? the fact remains that a 'settled science' would have reliable and repeatable predictions. Climate models have neither.


No, I'm saying the models were too conservative, the fundamental principles work just fine.

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But you still havent addressed the issues in the OP because you ARE an extremist without a willingness to even consider views outsied your narrow hysterical position.


If by that you mean outside of the scientific literature, then yes, you're dead right, I won't consider such views. Not for a moment.


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Reply #66 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 3:38pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:47pm:
I think the OP was written with you in mind. Extremism to the core and not a rational balanced thought anywhere to be seen.


You reject science because it's results conflict with your political and ideological leanings. You are the extremists.
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Reply #67 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 3:55pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 9:42am:
You assume that 'logic' has anything to do with the debate. it is an IDEOLOGICAL position and therefore requires nothing more than belief to continue.


So the belief that an ETS will lower carbon emissions is an extreme ideological position?

Is economics an ideology? Does everything have an ideological position? What are you bloody saying?

I am still not seeing the extremism. What i am seeing is an argument that can be applied to anything i don't like, cheers.
I never have to think again.


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Reply #68 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 4:13pm
 
jame-e wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 3:55pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 9:42am:
You assume that 'logic' has anything to do with the debate. it is an IDEOLOGICAL position and therefore requires nothing more than belief to continue.


So the belief that an ETS will lower carbon emissions is an extreme ideological position?

Is economics an ideology? Does everything have an ideological position? What are you bloody saying?

I am still not seeing the extremism. What i am seeing is an argument that can be applied to anything i don't like, cheers.
I never have to think again.






This will explain it all to you.
So grab yourself a cuppa, put your feet up, watch, learn and have it all nicely explained to you by the global warmist peak body, the IPCC
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Reply #69 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 4:45pm
 
astro_surf wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 3:38pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:47pm:
I think the OP was written with you in mind. Extremism to the core and not a rational balanced thought anywhere to be seen.


You reject science because it's results conflict with your political and ideological leanings. You are the extremists.


you have no idea wha tthe OP meant, do you? you walk right into the extremist non-thinking position of lablleing as 'deniers' anyone who critically assesses your position. true scientists would do no such thing. the notion that your science is settled is so ludicrous that it is the subject of mockery. NOTHIN is ever settled. Even your models get outcomes woefully wrong and yet you accept it. WITHOUT QUESTION.
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Reply #70 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 4:46pm
 
creep wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 4:13pm:
jame-e wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 3:55pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 9:42am:
You assume that 'logic' has anything to do with the debate. it is an IDEOLOGICAL position and therefore requires nothing more than belief to continue.


So the belief that an ETS will lower carbon emissions is an extreme ideological position?

Is economics an ideology? Does everything have an ideological position? What are you bloody saying?

I am still not seeing the extremism. What i am seeing is an argument that can be applied to anything i don't like, cheers.
I never have to think again.






This will explain it all to you.
So grab yourself a cuppa, put your feet up, watch, learn and have it all nicely explained to you
by the global warmist peak body, the IPCC

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That's another Strike, Creep, your 2nd direct lie.

One more and your out of the ball park!

The above video IS NOT IPCC!
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Reply #71 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 4:48pm
 
astro_surf wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 3:38pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:47pm:
I think the OP was written with you in mind. Extremism to the core and not a rational balanced thought anywhere to be seen.


You reject science because it's results conflict with your political and ideological leanings. You are the extremists.


I dont reject it. I question it. I critically ask questions and look for answers. that is the very ESSENCE of science. you are more like the catholic church attacking Gallileo because you dont like the answer.
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Reply #72 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 4:51pm
 
Talk about extremists..Abbotts right wing extremist cheersquad is now emailing death threats to scientists that support action against climate change.
Will Abbott start to encourage his cheersquad to shoot people he doesnt agree with like his role model Sarah Palin does?
The danger of encouraging right wing extremist groups is rearing its ugly head again.
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Reply #73 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 5:00pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 4:51pm:
Talk about extremists..Abbotts right wing extremist cheersquad is now emailing death threats to scientists that support action against climate change.
Will Abbott start to encourage his cheersquad to shoot people he doesnt agree with like his role model Sarah Palin does?
The danger of encouraging right wing extremist groups is rearing its ugly head again.


the funny thing about this thread is watching the extremists pop up and show just how little they understood the OP. adelcrow, you truly did yourself a disservice with this mindless crap you just posted.
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Reply #74 - Jun 4th, 2011 at 5:04pm
 
Please delete wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 12:48pm:
Several of Australia's top climate change scientists at the Australian National University have been subjected to a campaign of death threats, forcing the university to tighten security.

Several of the scientists in Canberra have been moved to a more secure location after receiving the threats over their research.






It will not surprise anybody if these supposed death threats were actually conjured up by the scientists themselves.
As afterall they have done this before, with climategate.
As the world gets more and more information and facts, less support is going to the global warmists.
The scaremongerers may now be trying to conjure up support via sympathy!
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