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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC? Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 4:37pm The Coalition has 19/42 seats. The Christian Democrats have 2, and the Shooters have 2. The ALP and Greens are redundant, they have no say.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC? Reply #2 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:19pm at least it isnt about Oakeshott so thats a first. I wonder if matty realises there are other states than NSW?
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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC? Reply #3 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:53pm longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:19pm: at least it isnt about Oakeshott so thats a first. I wonder if matty realises there are other states than NSW? Why bring up Oakeshott when I didn't even mention him? Yes, by the way, I do know that.
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Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC?
Reply #4 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 9:34pm

matty wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:19pm:

at least it isnt about Oakeshott so thats a first. I wonder if matty realises there are other states than NSW?

Why bring up Oakeshott when I didn't even mention him?

Yes, by the way, I do know that.

then act like it. try a thread that deals with someone besides oakeshott and a state besides NSW. if people were able to filter posts and simply used NSW and Oakeshott, you'd be invisible.

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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC? Reply #5 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 12:31am Matty just refuses to understand the concept of a Westminster democracy. Why do you hate democracy so much, matty?
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Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC?
Reply #6 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 7:48am

matty wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 4:37pm:

The Coalition has 19/42 seats. The Christian Democrats have 2, and the Shooters have 2. The ALP and Greens are redundant, they have no say.

It is true that the Greens are a dead party, the ALP will recover though.

Where do you get your results of 19/42 etc from?

As wasn't the result:
Coaltion: 67
ALP: 18
Other: 3

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-election-2011/interactive-map

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Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC?
Reply #7 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 5:15pm

creep wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 7:48am:

matty wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 4:37pm:

The Coalition has 19/42 seats. The Christian Democrats have 2, and the Shooters have 2. The ALP and Greens are redundant, they have no say.

It is true that the Greens are a dead party, the ALP will recover though.

Where do you get your results of 19/42 etc from?

As wasn't the result:
Coaltion: 67
ALP: 18
Other: 3

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-election-2011/interactive-map

I believe matty is talking of the upper house of the NSW parlament. And yes i do agree with Astro it is called democracy and it does matter that all have their say. By your reckoning one would say that in the senate the coalition are meaningless. I hardly see that, and opposition is important to the maintenance of a healthy democracy.

Just because the minors are parties like fred nile and the greens they are not all useless. The shooters and fishing party are strange bed fellows and may appear single issued but the issues over fishing and shooting rights are a big issue in this state as soon as you step outside the vacuum of Sydney. It is more about the way NSW State government has for 30 years been city centric and the nationals have done zip to help. They represent the frustration of the rural minority that produce more of the countries real wealth than seems to be understood by the city folk with tunnel vision.

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Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC?
Reply #8 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 5:27pm

nairbe wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 5:15pm:

creep wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 7:48am:

matty wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 4:37pm:

The Coalition has 19/42 seats. The Christian Democrats have 2, and the Shooters have 2. The ALP and Greens are redundant, they have no say.

It is true that the Greens are a dead party, the ALP will recover though.

Where do you get your results of 19/42 etc from?

As wasn't the result:
Coaltion: 67
ALP: 18
Other: 3

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-election-2011/interactive-map

I believe matty is talking of the upper house of the NSW parlament.

Yes of course, thanks, missed the LC
And Labour & the Greens have 19/42 as well.

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Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC?
Reply #9 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 9:39pm

creep wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 5:27pm:

nairbe wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 5:15pm:

creep wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 7:48am:

matty wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 4:37pm:

The Coalition has 19/42 seats. The Christian Democrats have 2, and the Shooters have 2. The ALP and Greens are redundant, they have no say.

It is true that the Greens are a dead party, the ALP will recover though.

Where do you get your results of 19/42 etc from?

As wasn't the result:
Coaltion: 67
ALP: 18
Other: 3

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-election-2011/interactive-map

I believe matty is talking of the upper house of the NSW parlament.

Yes of course, thanks, missed the LC
And Labour & the Greens have 19/42 as well.

That right lab/Green 19, lib/nat 19 and 4 to minors that for me are conservative votes. Fred Nile is obvious and the others are country votes mostly and they are generally more conservative.

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Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC?
Reply #10 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 10:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 9:34pm:

matty wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:19pm:

at least it isnt about Oakeshott so thats a first. I wonder if matty realises there are other states than NSW?

Why bring up Oakeshott when I didn't even mention him?

Yes, by the way, I do know that.

then act like it. try a thread that deals with someone besides oakeshott and a state besides NSW. if people were able to filter posts and simply used NSW and Oakeshott, you'd be invisible.

I have started threads about other topics as well.

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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC? Reply #11 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 10:21pm My whole point is that the Coalition only needs the support of the Christian Democrats or Shooters to pass legislation. Both are right wing, therefore making 23/42, hence Grabor are redundant.
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Reply #12 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 10:30pm

matty wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 10:21pm:

My whole point is that the Coalition only needs the support of the Christian Democrats or Shooters to pass legislation. Both are right wing, therefore making 23/42, hence Grabor are redundant.

Yes, in theory you'd think that that would be so.
But at the 2010 fed election the National Party (WA) (Crook) didnt automatically side with the coalition.
And the three independents (Oakeshott, Windsor & Katter) were all former National party members.

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Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC?
Reply #13 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 10:36pm

creep wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 10:30pm:

matty wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 10:21pm:

My whole point is that the Coalition only needs the support of the Christian Democrats or Shooters to pass legislation. Both are right wing, therefore making 23/42, hence Grabor are redundant.

Yes, in theory you'd think that that would be so.
But at the 2010 fed election the National Party (WA) (Crook) didnt automatically side with the coalition.
And the three independents (Oakeshott, Windsor & Katter) were all former National party members.

As if Crook was not ever going to side with the Coalition. Katter did eventually side with them too. Windsor is bitter, and Oakeshott ALP in drag.

Fred Nile (and the other CD, Paul Green) will pretty much always side with the Coalition, and the Shooters will too. They certainly won't side with the greens.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: What's the point the ALP and Greens in the NSW LC? Reply #14 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 10:40pm hey matty I klnow this is off topic... but as you seem to know more than the average joe on here regarding our independents.... what have any of them said about this Malaysian policy we are hering so much about....I seem to have missed anything coming from them about it.. what have you heard?
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