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Reply #15 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:49pm

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 2:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 2:50pm:

During year end close or full year budget times - I work well beyond 14 hour days - at times as high as 20 hours at peak times.

Do the job you sign up for, or don't do it?

Don't hear me complain.

That's because you obviously don't have the talent or the bargaining position, or both, to negotiate better conditions for yourself.

You should join a union or something.

since your experience is totally in the arts community Id venture you have little idea how the rest of the world operates especially at the higher levels.

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Reply #16 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:20pm:

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Well I could be wrong but for some reason, I always thought a standard working week for most people was 38 hours a week.

you are wrong and if you had a job you might realise that life is very different than you think it is. do you think pilots click off 8 hours into a 20 hour flight? do you think surgeons walk off half way thru the op because it is 5pm?

have you EVER worked?

Do you think the same pilot takes the plane from here to Heathrow? You're so funny Grin

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Reply #17 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:14pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:20pm:

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Well I could be wrong but for some reason, I always thought a standard working week for most people was 38 hours a week.

you are wrong and if you had a job you might realise that life is very different than you think it is. do you think pilots click off 8 hours into a 20 hour flight? do you think surgeons walk off half way thru the op because it is 5pm?

have you EVER worked?

Do you think the same pilot takes the plane from here to Heathrow? You're so funny Grin

you think they stop midair and get a new set of pilts? I am aware they have 3 pilots on flights liek this and rotate. the point was - and something you dont understand - is that a LOT of jobs work longer than 8 hours and many have very long unpredictable lenghts.

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Sacked For Refusing To Work 14 Hour Days. Reply #18 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:57pm Of course there are a lot of jobs that work more than 8 hours. It is usually in most cases called overtime.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Sacked For Refusing To Work 14 Hour Days. Reply #19 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:59pm Quote: Of course there are a lot of jobs that work more than 8 hours. It is usually in most cases called overtime. i repeat... have you ever worked anywhere, doing anything? the more you post the more you sound like a 14yo with a paper round.
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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Sacked For Refusing To Work 14 Hour Days. Reply #20 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 7:02pm What an absolute stupid question. Yes of course I have.
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Reply #21 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 7:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:20pm:

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Well I could be wrong but for some reason, I always thought a standard working week for most people was 38 hours a week.

you are wrong and if you had a job you might realise that life is very different than you think it is. do you think pilots click off 8 hours into a 20 hour flight? do you think surgeons walk off half way thru the op because it is 5pm?

have you EVER worked?

I doubt that many Garbage truck drivers are flying for Qantas or performing brain surgery in their spare time after finishing their illegal 14 hr shift at a low pay rate.

This is required to meet the negotiated contract conditions, the job was likely under quoted and the result is insufficient staff numbers to fulfil the requirements in a legal manner. This is one of the most common results of outsourcing.

Outsourcing drives down pay rates drives down staff numbers and rarely results in adequate results or performance.

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Reply #22 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 7:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:59pm:

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Of course there are a lot of jobs that work more than 8 hours. It is usually in most cases called overtime.

i repeat... have you ever worked anywhere, doing anything? the more you post the more you sound like a 14yo with a paper round.

You`ve wonderd too?

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Reply #23 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 8:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:14pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:20pm:

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Well I could be wrong but for some reason, I always thought a standard working week for most people was 38 hours a week.

you are wrong and if you had a job you might realise that life is very different than you think it is. do you think pilots click off 8 hours into a 20 hour flight? do you think surgeons walk off half way thru the op because it is 5pm?

have you EVER worked?

Do you think the same pilot takes the plane from here to Heathrow? You're so funny Grin

you think they stop midair and get a new set of pilts? I am aware they have 3 pilots on flights liek this and rotate. the point was - and something you dont understand - is that a LOT of jobs work longer than 8 hours and many have very long unpredictable lenghts.

OK, Mr Expert....

Exactly how long does one pilot have control of the plane before handing over to the next pilot?

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Reply #24 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:07pm

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 2:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 2:50pm:

During year end close or full year budget times - I work well beyond 14 hour days - at times as high as 20 hours at peak times.

Do the job you sign up for, or don't do it?

Don't hear me complain.

That's because you obviously don't have the talent or the bargaining position, or both, to negotiate better conditions for yourself.

You should join a union or something.

You are obviously a little raw to these boards.

People in triple figure middle management dont worry about Unions. If you think Andre needs a Union, Im gonna have to stop you now before I die from laughter.

Ive never had a problem with 14 hour days, some much longer than that.

You bog down when you have to, and in my experience you get rewarded down the track.

And none of my "overtime" was ever on the hourly pay clock either.

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Reply #25 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:21pm

Lobo wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 8:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:14pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 6:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 5:20pm:

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Well I could be wrong but for some reason, I always thought a standard working week for most people was 38 hours a week.

you are wrong and if you had a job you might realise that life is very different than you think it is. do you think pilots click off 8 hours into a 20 hour flight? do you think surgeons walk off half way thru the op because it is 5pm?

have you EVER worked?

Do you think the same pilot takes the plane from here to Heathrow? You're so funny Grin

you think they stop midair and get a new set of pilts? I am aware they have 3 pilots on flights liek this and rotate. the point was - and something you dont understand - is that a LOT of jobs work longer than 8 hours and many have very long unpredictable lenghts.

OK, Mr Expert....

Exactly how long does one pilot have control of the plane before handing over to the next pilot?

With modern planes....isn't it just long enough to turn the autopilot on???

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Re: Sacked For Refusing To Work 14 Hour Days.
Reply #26 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:22pm

Verge wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:07pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 2:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 2:50pm:

During year end close or full year budget times - I work well beyond 14 hour days - at times as high as 20 hours at peak times.

Do the job you sign up for, or don't do it?

Don't hear me complain.

That's because you obviously don't have the talent or the bargaining position, or both, to negotiate better conditions for yourself.

You should join a union or something.

You are obviously a little raw to these boards.

People in triple figure middle management dont worry about Unions. If you think Andre needs a Union, Im gonna have to stop you now before I die from laughter.

Ive never had a problem with 14 hour days, some much longer than that.

You bog down when you have to, and in my experience you get rewarded down the track.

And none of my "overtime" was ever on the hourly pay clock either.

Actually, I am aware of Andre and his triple figure middle management position.

Previous conversations have uncovered that Andre and I earn approximately the same wage. If I was forced to work a 14+ hour day however, I would be out the door in a heartbeat. I love my job, but I also have a life to live outside of it.

I am lucky that my employers are well aware of this. In, turn, I will send a member of my team home if they are staying at work too late.

As a result, we are a happy, productive team that constantly produces results and that has a life outside of work. I feel that the quality of work produced after you have been there for hours on end drops dramatically anyway.

If that makes me less worthy than the schmo who is stuck in an office away from family and friends, so be it.

But hey, you can feel free to feel somehow superior because you work longer hours than I do. I'll think of you when I'm out at a show with my wife or drinking with mates.

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Reply #28 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:43pm

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:22pm:

Verge wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:07pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 2:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 2:50pm:

During year end close or full year budget times - I work well beyond 14 hour days - at times as high as 20 hours at peak times.

Do the job you sign up for, or don't do it?

Don't hear me complain.

That's because you obviously don't have the talent or the bargaining position, or both, to negotiate better conditions for yourself.

You should join a union or something.

You are obviously a little raw to these boards.

People in triple figure middle management dont worry about Unions. If you think Andre needs a Union, Im gonna have to stop you now before I die from laughter.

Ive never had a problem with 14 hour days, some much longer than that.

You bog down when you have to, and in my experience you get rewarded down the track.

And none of my "overtime" was ever on the hourly pay clock either.

Actually, I am aware of Andre and his triple figure middle management position.

Previous conversations have uncovered that Andre and I earn approximately the same wage. If I was forced to work a 14+ hour day however, I would be out the door in a heartbeat. I love my job, but I also have a life to live outside of it.

I am lucky that my employers are well aware of this. In, turn, I will send a member of my team home if they are staying at work too late.

As a result, we are a happy, productive team that constantly produces results and that has a life outside of work. I feel that the quality of work produced after you have been there for hours on end drops dramatically anyway.

If that makes me less worthy than the schmo who is stuck in an office away from family and friends, so be it.

But hey, you can feel free to feel somehow superior because you work longer hours than I do. I'll think of you when I'm out at a show with my wife or drinking with mates.

There is an expectation where I am that you get in and do the work when it needs to be done, and you arent near the place when its quiet.

Its the joys of the corporate world, and if you have to do the 12, 14, and even 16 hour day then you do it in order to meet the deadlines.

If your answer to meeting a deadline is 'I'm going home', then good luck to you, but you wouldnt last 2 minutes in my office.

Thats where the give and take comes in. You give me the time when we need it, and I give them the time when they want it.

I dont know what kind of an arts job you have that lets you head off without a sniff of overtime, but its obviously not one that involves strict deadlines.

Good luck to you, but you situation is not what I would call a normal one.

But I'll think of you while Im having my week off because of the overtime I did the week before in meeting the deadlines.

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Reply #29 - Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:48pm

Grey wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:34pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 2:50pm:

During year end close or full year budget times - I work well beyond 14 hour days - at times as high as 20 hours at peak times.

Do the job you sign up for, or don't do it?

Don't hear me complain.

Your kids must feel really loved.

Do you know his companys position on family?

Heck, I get a visit a day from my wife and daughter at work if its a 6 hour day or a 15 hour one I work.

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