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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: MANIPILATION OF CLIMATE AND CARBON FEARS. Reply #135 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 12:31am Quote: Your reading or comprehension is letting you down, because I have said on numberous ocassions, I AM NEITHER RIGHT NOR LEFT. bY Perception now YOU LEAN ON THE LEFT, I DONT CARE IF YOU DONT REALISE IT OR NOT, WHETHER YOU DENY IT OR NOT, YOU SIMPLY JUST DO
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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: MANIPILATION OF CLIMATE AND CARBON FEARS. Reply #136 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 12:32am And for me thats good enough for you to be called LEFTIE
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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: MANIPILATION OF CLIMATE AND CARBON FEARS. Reply #137 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 12:35am Quote: If I am anywhere on YOUR scale it would be centre, but that's not really correct, from my perspective, I'm simply a true Realist. by Perceptions now WITH A LEFTIST BENT REALIST ???? CMON PERCEPTIONS STOP HAVING YOURSELF ON.
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Reply #138 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 5:41am

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 11:58pm:

creep wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 11:35pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 10:45pm:

There are other ways to address the Climate issues and that must start to happen soon!

And what are "the climate" issues?

When you can read & comprehend, basic information, then you MAY do your own research

So you admit that you do not know what the climate issues are.
That's ok.
It shows that you are quite ignorant of the issues but that hasn't prevented you from running your mouth off. Cheesy

:DLOL:D:D

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Reply #139 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 5:44am

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 11:59pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 11:41pm:

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Stryder, It doesn't even know what global warming is and yet it believes it.
Classic gullible gertie!

You know Creeps, Perceptions used to be inteligient, either that or IT WAS AN ILLUSION I HAD OF HIM, I MEAN THIS CARBON DOOMSDAYING HAS TURNED HIM INTO A BIT OF A TWIT.

You have something in common with a few others on here, "stereotyping and plain ignorance".

When you can read & comprehend, basic information, then you MAY do your own research

And now the ignorant one is going off like a broken record LOL

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Reply #140 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 5:50am

stryder wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 11:41pm:

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Stryder, It doesn't even know what global warming is and yet it believes it.
Classic gullible gertie!

You know Creeps, Perceptions used to be inteligient, either that or IT WAS AN ILLUSION I HAD OF HIM,

You're extremely generous, but would suggest that it was all an illusion.
stryder wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 11:41pm:

I MEAN THIS CARBON DOOMSDAYING HAS TURNED HIM INTO A BIT OF A TWIT.

It is its natural ability showing through.
It was probably deliberately trying to suppress it's twitness, but now it is blossoming quite enthusiastically.

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Reply #141 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 5:54am

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 12:03am:

Obviously, you have "Maqqa's disease", you have no idea what you are talking about!

And you have an abundance of callouses, and we can all understand why that is Cheesy

Surprised you still have some eyesight, but not surprised that your reading ability has faltered Cheesy

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Reply #142 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 5:56am

stryder wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 12:31am:

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Your reading or comprehension is letting you down, because I have said on numberous ocassions, I AM NEITHER RIGHT NOR LEFT.

bY Perception now

YOU LEAN ON THE LEFT, I DONT CARE IF YOU DONT REALISE IT OR NOT, WHETHER YOU DENY IT OR NOT,

YOU SIMPLY JUST DO

It is about as neither left nor right as what Stalin & Hitler were!

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Reply #143 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 9:37am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 11:23pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 10:45pm:

And, as far as the Carbon Tax is concerned, I have also said many times, that the Carbon Tax is primarily a TAX Revenue raiser, it will not solve or even remotely address the Climate issue, unless the Tax was horrendously greater than anything currently mooted and if it was that large, it would destroy the OZ Economy completely.

There are other ways to address the Climate issues and that must start to happen soon!

OH NO

he's come to the dark side

Swan is your Father perception

I'm surprised you showed your face in this thread again. Predictably though, it wasn't to respond to this:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 7:22pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 6:43pm:

I am glad you can read

Then you should be able to correlate why Carbon Emissions peaked and troughed during those thousands of years with ZERO human intervention

but now humans contribute 3% and we are the main culprit

Nice backpedal. Not Roll Eyes

It was the end of an ice age - the orbital change that triggers a slight increase in temperature, which in turn triggers a release of methan and carbon dioxide, which amplifies the warming - that's what caused it. Even then it never go higher than 300 p.p.m but that graph doesn't show CURRENT levels which are at 390 p.p.m - ie. another FOUR STEPS on that graph higher than the highest they've been in over a million years. Human activity has taken CO2 levels 40% HIGHER than they have been in A MILLION YEARS.

You massive douchebag. You're too stupid to hold an opinion on climate change.

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Reply #144 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 11:47am

stryder wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 12:35am:

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If I am anywhere on YOUR scale it would be centre, but that's not really correct, from my perspective, I'm simply a true Realist.

by Perceptions now

Grin

WITH A LEFTIST BENT

REALIST ???? CMON PERCEPTIONS STOP HAVING YOURSELF ON. Grin

According to the likes of Stryder, Maqqa, LW, the Creep, Cods etc, anyone who does not believe the "Right Mantra", is a leftie/Leftard.

Problem is, there is much more going on, than the "Right Mantra" has any knowledge of, let alone any control over.

So, to all of you Exclusive Bretheren of the "Right Mantra", get over yourselves and start looking at reality, instead of trying to maintain YOUR status quo (via your rose coloured glasses), which is a simple extension of the past and is a situation that can not remain as is!

Btw, I am still neither Left, nor Right, I am a true Realist.

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Reply #145 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 5:03pm

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ccording to the likes of Stryder, Maqqa, LW, the Creep, Cods etc, anyone who does not believe the "Right Mantra", is a leftie/Leftard.

By Perception now

YOU DAMN RIGHT I THINK SO,

There is the left and the right within our political spectrum, Now its very hard to stay on the centre because whatever issue you tend to try and understand youll either swing to the left or to the right viewpoint of the issue

For me its hard for any human being to try and stay politically unbias, because there is tendency of human nature to SWING either to the left or right NO MATTER HOW UNBIAS OR IN YOUR CASE,

REAL

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NOW ITS QUITE OBVIOUS, PERCEPTIONS YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE CARBON ISSUE FROM THE LEFTS POINT OF VIEW, AND YOU SUPPORT IT FROM THERE VIEW.

AND YOU GOT THE HIDE TO TELL ME YOU DONT LEAN TO THE LEFT

!

YOU TAKE A GOOD READ OF EVERYTHING YOU POSTED ABOUT THE CARBON ISSUE AND YOU TELL ME IF ITS LEANING ON THE RIGHT OR THE CENTRE,

AND LETS SEE HOW MUCH OF A REALIST YOU REALLY ARE.

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Reply #146 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 6:10pm

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Well, for starters, the real truth is not something that diehard Liberal or Labor supporters, PR SPIN MASTERS or Politicians, have any remote interest in!

That said, the truth is that the Global Climate is changing, that change is materially affected by human input, as the majority of world scientists agree and the leading edge of that Climate Change is already starting to impact the Australian & Global Economy, via events such as Floods (in OZ & elsewhere), severe hurricanes/cyclones, droughts/heatwaves & more!

However, Climate Change is not the only thing different, there is actually a paradigm change in progress, where a number of factors are coming together, at around the same time, the overall effect of those factors, on the OZ & Global Economy, are adverse and that trend is only just commencing!

by Perceptions Now, opening tread to his THE REAL TRUTH\

Now you tell me, Perceptions THIS IS YOUR POST MIND YOU.

Could this post lean

more on the lefts viewpoint
or the right
?????

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Reply #147 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 8:05pm

astro_surf wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 9:37am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 11:23pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 10:45pm:

And, as far as the Carbon Tax is concerned, I have also said many times, that the Carbon Tax is primarily a TAX Revenue raiser, it will not solve or even remotely address the Climate issue, unless the Tax was horrendously greater than anything currently mooted and if it was that large, it would destroy the OZ Economy completely.

There are other ways to address the Climate issues and that must start to happen soon!

OH NO

he's come to the dark side

Swan is your Father perception

I'm surprised you showed your face in this thread again. Predictably though, it wasn't to respond to this:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 7:22pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 13^th, 2011 at 6:43pm:

I am glad you can read

Then you should be able to correlate why Carbon Emissions peaked and troughed during those thousands of years with ZERO human intervention

but now humans contribute 3% and we are the main culprit

Nice backpedal. Not Roll Eyes

It was the end of an ice age - the orbital change that triggers a slight increase in temperature, which in turn triggers a release of methan and carbon dioxide, which amplifies the warming - that's what caused it. Even then it never go higher than 300 p.p.m but that graph doesn't show CURRENT levels which are at 390 p.p.m - ie. another FOUR STEPS on that graph higher than the highest they've been in over a million years. Human activity has taken CO2 levels 40% HIGHER than they have been in A MILLION YEARS.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Rp1PdEsjetg/S5X0AuSA5KI/AAAAAAAAAYY/eeqZcDwlhPw/s400/c...

You massive douchebag. You're too stupid to hold an opinion on climate change.

And the earth has heated up based on carbon levels much lower than it is now

So picking just Carbon out of the atmospheric line-up to pin climate change on is lunacy

Further - carbon represent less than 0.0012% of the atmosphere

Of that humans contribute 3%

ie 3% of 0.0012%

of that Australia contributes 1.35%

ie 1.35% of 3% of 0.0012%

even if we changed the mix to 96% nature and 4% humans - it makes no difference

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Reply #148 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 8:24pm

Maqqa wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 8:05pm:

And the earth has heated up based on carbon levels much lower than it is now

So picking just Carbon out of the atmospheric line-up to pin climate change on is lunacy

Further - carbon represent less than 0.0012% of the atmosphere

Of that humans contribute 3%

ie 3% of 0.0012%

of that Australia contributes 1.35%

ie 1.35% of 3% of 0.0012%

even if we changed the mix to 96% nature and 4% humans - it makes no difference

We need more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere!

More Co2 means more trees, more luscious green growth.
And that means a healthier planet!

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Reply #149 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 8:26pm

stryder wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 6:10pm:

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Well, for starters, the real truth is not something that diehard Liberal or Labor supporters, PR SPIN MASTERS or Politicians, have any remote interest in!

That said, the truth is that the Global Climate is changing, that change is materially affected by human input, as the majority of world scientists agree and the leading edge of that Climate Change is already starting to impact the Australian & Global Economy, via events such as Floods (in OZ & elsewhere), severe hurricanes/cyclones, droughts/heatwaves & more!

However, Climate Change is not the only thing different, there is actually a paradigm change in progress, where a number of factors are coming together, at around the same time, the overall effect of those factors, on the OZ & Global Economy, are adverse and that trend is only just commencing!

by Perceptions Now, opening tread to his THE REAL TRUTH\

Now you tell me, Perceptions THIS IS YOUR POST MIND YOU.

Could this post lean

more on the lefts viewpoint
or the right
?????

That's just CRAP!

Everything in that post of mine is factually accurate, including the start where I said, as I have often done, that both the Right & Left of Politics are into SPIN and neither has any interest in the truth.

You and others, simply turn off & put people into buckets of either Right or Left, that's your problem!

I simply post what I see as factually correct, after researching the issues and you may like to bear in mind that my background is/was some 40 years in the financial sector, mainly insurance with a little banking.

Sometimes, my opinion will happen to co-incide with what you call the Left & sometimes it will co-incide with what you would call the Right, but on all ocassions my opinions are what I understand to be correct, given my indenpendent view on reality, as you may have cause to think on after my next post!

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