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Reply #15 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 10:21pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 8:34pm:
AND THERE IS SOME DATA OUT THERE THAT 3% OF HUMANS CONTRIBUTE THROUGH THERE TECHNOLOGY TO GLOBAL CARBON EMISSIONS COMPARED TO 97% of carbon emissions that come through NATURE ITSELF. from the oceans themselves and the land. is that data wrong ??????








And for that reason - I have been asking laborites and other lefties the question

In percentage terms can they tell us how much humans contribute to global carbon emissions?

I've asked this question for 5 years now - they can't answer it
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Reply #16 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 10:24pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 9:08pm:
For me this about a vague idea about the climate being chased up by politicians which has allowed this collusion between some many scientists and politicians to sound this sudden alarm siren about the climate of our globe and that our EXTRA TAXES IS JUST GOING TO SOLVE IT OUR OF THIN AIR OVER AN UNCERTAIN SCIENCE.



It's an Observational Science at best

This is like calling "Voodoo" a science
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Reply #17 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 10:31pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 8:34pm:
FOR ME THE WHOLE CLIMATE CHANGE AND CARBON CONTROL SCHEMES IS ALL TO DO WITH
CONTROL, MANIPILATION AND THE GOVERNMENTS THIRST FOR MORE TAX DOLLARS OVER WHAT LOOKS LIKE A VAGUE AND UNCLEAR SCIENCE.






And then there's the deliberate suppression of all the facts so as to deliberately confusing some into actually believing that global warming exists.
Then they change their models when they don't explain everything or when those models prove that global warming doesn't exist.
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Reply #18 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 10:33pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 10:21pm:
And for that reason - I have been asking laborites and other lefties the question

In percentage terms can they tell us how much humans contribute to global carbon emissions?

I've asked this question for 5 years now - they can't answer it


Yes they have, you liar, you're a pathological denier. I've answered it in this thread; 2%.

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Reply #19 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 10:47pm
 
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Heh.... what a f-ckin' wanker.
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Reply #20 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 10:53pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 10:21pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 8:34pm:
AND THERE IS SOME DATA OUT THERE THAT 3% OF HUMANS CONTRIBUTE THROUGH THERE TECHNOLOGY TO GLOBAL CARBON EMISSIONS COMPARED TO 97% of carbon emissions that come through NATURE ITSELF. from the oceans themselves and the land. is that data wrong ??????








And for that reason - I have been asking laborites and other lefties the question

In percentage terms can they tell us how much humans contribute to global carbon emissions?

I've asked this question for 5 years now - they can't answer it




They could, but then that would be admitting that global warming was all crap, and that the Co2 tax wont change a thing!
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Reply #21 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 12:04am
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 10:21pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 8:34pm:
AND THERE IS SOME DATA OUT THERE THAT 3% OF HUMANS CONTRIBUTE THROUGH THERE TECHNOLOGY TO GLOBAL CARBON EMISSIONS COMPARED TO 97% of carbon emissions that come through NATURE ITSELF. from the oceans themselves and the land. is that data wrong ??????








And for that reason - I have been asking laborites and other lefties the question

In percentage terms can they tell us how much humans contribute to global carbon emissions?

I've asked this question for 5 years now - they can't answer it



I post this here, because it's relevant -
perceptions_now wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 9:34pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 8:49pm:
yes it is bi partisan hoodwinkery and freemasons on both

sides of the political paradigm


forgiven

namaste


Leaving aside the Freemasons issue, I agree that manipulation is one of the basic Political "tools of the trade", for all Politicians!

However, I disagree, in that I do not forgive them!


And, I have to say, I was wrong!

What I should have said was -

I agree that manipulation is one of the basic Political "tools of the trade", for all Politicians
and their SPIN MACHINE HELPERS!

However, I disagree, in that I do not forgive them!

Hello Maqqa!


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Reply #22 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:15am
 
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The issue here is that your obviously looking in the wrong places. The science is very clear.
By astro surf


IF THERE IS STILL NO CONCLUSIVE CONCRETE EVIDENCE OR PROOF THAT MAN MADE CO2 IS CAUSING HARM AND CHANGING OUR CLIMATE FOR THE WORST,
THEN THE SCIENCE REMAINS UNCLEAR THEN, DOES IT ????



NOT EVEN YOUR OWN CARBON SPIN WILL MAKE IT ANY CLEARER. ASTRO.  Grin
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Reply #23 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:25am
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 10:21pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 8:34pm:
AND THERE IS SOME DATA OUT THERE THAT 3% OF HUMANS CONTRIBUTE THROUGH THERE TECHNOLOGY TO GLOBAL CARBON EMISSIONS COMPARED TO 97% of carbon emissions that come through NATURE ITSELF. from the oceans themselves and the land. is that data wrong ??????








And for that reason - I have been asking laborites and other lefties the question

In percentage terms can they tell us how much humans contribute to global carbon emissions?

I've asked this question for 5 years now - they can't answer it

Yes maqqa ,Abbott and the coalition have a lot to answer for with their manipulation of climate and carbon fears to appease the dumb retarded confusionalists in the community, ever so small as they may be.
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Reply #24 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:31am
 
stryder wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:15am:
MADE CO2 IS CAUSING HARM AND CHANGING OUR CLIMATE FOR THE WORST,


See, this is what happens when you inhabit an ideological bubble where you quarantined any information that in any way conflicts with your ideological worldview.

The science IS quite clear, that's why it is accepted by EVERY mainstream scientific peak body on the planet
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Reply #25 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:34am
 
Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

The skeptic argument...

There's no empirical evidence
"There is no actual evidence that carbon dioxide emissions are causing global warming. Note that computer models are just concatenations of calculations you could do on a hand-held calculator, so they are theoretical and cannot be part of any evidence." (David Evans)

What the science says...
Direct observations find that CO2 is rising sharply due to human activity. Satellite and surface measurements find less energy is escaping to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths. Ocean and surface temperature measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives a line of empirical evidence that human CO2 emissions are causing global warming.

The line of empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming is as follows:

We're raising CO2 levels
Human carbon dioxide emissions are calculated from international energy statistics, tabulating coal, brown coal, peat, and crude oil production by nation and year, going back to 1751. CO2 emissions have increased dramatically over the last century, climbing to the rate of 29 billion tonnes of CO2 per year in 2006 (EIA).

Atmospheric CO2 levels are measured at hundreds of monitoring stations across the globe. Independent measurements are also conducted by airplanes and satellites. For periods before 1958, CO2 levels are determined from air bubbles trapped in polar ice cores. In pre-industrial times over the last 10,000 years, CO2 was relatively stable at around 275 to 285 parts per million. Over the last 250 years, atmospheric CO2 levels have increased by about 100 parts per million. Currently, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing by around 15 gigatonnes every year.

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Figure 1: Atmospheric CO2 levels (Green is Law Dome ice core, Blue is Mauna Loa, Hawaii) and Cumulative CO2 emissions (CDIAC). While atmospheric CO2 levels are usually expressed in parts per million, here they are displayed as the amount of CO2 residing in the atmosphere in gigatonnes. CO2 emissions includes fossil fuel emissions, cement production and emissions from gas flaring.

Humans are emitting more than twice as much CO2 as what ends up staying there. Nature is reducing our impact on climate by absorbing more than half of our CO2 emissions. The amount of human CO2 left in the air, called the "airborne fraction", has hovered around 43% since 1958.

CO2 traps heat
According to radiative physics and decades of laboratory measurements, increased CO2 in the atmosphere is expected to absorb more infrared radiation as it escapes back out to space. In 1970, NASA launched the IRIS satellite measuring infrared spectra. In 1996, the Japanese Space Agency launched the IMG satellite which recorded similar observations. Both sets of data were compared to discern any changes in outgoing radiation over the 26 year period (Harries 2001). What they found was a drop in outgoing radiation at the wavelength bands that greenhouse gases such as CO2 and methane (CH4) absorb energy. The change in outgoing radiation was consistent with theoretical expectations. Thus the paper found "direct experimental evidence for a significant increase in the Earth's greenhouse effect". This result has been confirmed by subsequent papers using data from later satellites (Griggs 2004, Chen 2007).

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Figure 2: Change in spectrum from 1970 to 1996 due to trace gases. 'Brightness temperature' indicates equivalent blackbody temperature (Harries 2001).

When greenhouse gases absorb infrared radiation, the energy heats the atmosphere which in turn re-radiates infrared radiation in all directions. Some makes its way back to the earth's surface. Hence we expect to find more infrared radiation heading downwards. Surface measurements from 1973 to 2008 find an increasing trend of infrared radiation returning to earth (Wang 2009). A regional study over the central Alps found that downward infrared radiation is increasing due to the enhanced greenhouse effect (Philipona 2004). Taking this a step further, an analysis of high resolution spectral data allowed scientists to quantitatively attribute the increase in downward radiation to each of several greenhouse gases (Evans 2006). The results lead the authors to conclude that "this experimental data should effectively end the argument by skeptics that no experimental evidence exists for the connection between greenhouse gas increases in the atmosphere and global warming."

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Figure 3: Spectrum of the greenhouse radiation measured at the surface. Greenhouse effect from water vapor is filtered out, showing the contributions of other greenhouse gases (Evans 2006).
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
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Reply #26 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:34am
 
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The science IS quite clear, that's why it is accepted by EVERY mainstream scientific peak body on the planet



A SETTLED SCIENCE THAT ISNT BASED ON ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE,

AND THEY LIKE TO CALL IT REAL SCIENCE,  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #27 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:35am
 
The planet is accumulating heat
When there is more energy coming in than escaping back out to space, our climate accumulates heat. The planet's total heat build up can be derived by adding up the heat content from the ocean, atmosphere, land and ice (Murphy 2009). Ocean heat content was determined down to 3000 metres deep. Atmospheric heat content was calculated from the surface temperature record and heat capacity of the troposphere. Land and ice heat content (eg - the energy required to melt ice) were also included.

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Figure 4: Total Earth Heat Content from 1950 (Murphy 2009). Ocean data taken from Domingues et al 2008.

From 1970 to 2003, the planet has been accumulating heat at a rate of 190,260 gigawatts with the vast majority of the energy going into the oceans. Considering a typical nuclear power plant has an output of 1 gigawatt, imagine 190,000 nuclear power plants pouring their energy output directly into our oceans. What about after 2003? A map of of ocean heat from 2003 to 2008 was constructed from ocean heat measurements down to 2000 metres deep (von Schuckmann 2009). Globally, the oceans have continued to accumulate heat to the end of 2008 at a rate of 0.77 ± 0.11 Wm?2, consistent with other determinations of the planet's energy imbalance (Hansen 2005, Trenberth 2009). The planet continues to accumulate heat.

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Figure 5: Time series of global mean heat storage (0–2000 m), measured in 108 Jm-2.

So we see a direct line of evidence that we're causing global warming. Human CO2 emissions far outstrip the rise in CO2 levels. The enhanced greenhouse effect is confirmed by satellite and surface measurements. The planet's energy imbalance is confirmed by summations of the planet's total heat content and ocean heat measurements.
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
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Reply #28 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:36am
 
Just out of interest.

If you wanted to be funded to work on climate change. Do you have to come up with an answer that supports man made climate change or in another way, what happens if your answer doesn't support man made climate change.

Does anyone have any numbers on this or information.
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Reply #29 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:36am
 
stryder wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:34am:
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The science IS quite clear, that's why it is accepted by EVERY mainstream scientific peak body on the planet



A SETTLED SCIENCE THAT ISNT BASED ON ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE,

AND THEY LIKE TO CALL IT REAL SCIENCE,  Grin Grin Grin


No, you've just been hopelessly misled by vested interests that seek to manufacture doubt in the minds of idiots like yourself.  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy
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