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Reply #30 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:37am
 
astro_surf wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:34am:
Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

The skeptic argument...

There's no empirical evidence
"There is no actual evidence that carbon dioxide emissions are causing global warming. Note that computer models are just concatenations of calculations you could do on a hand-held calculator, so they are theoretical and cannot be part of any evidence." (David Evans)

What the science says...
Direct observations find that CO2 is rising sharply due to human activity. Satellite and surface measurements find less energy is escaping to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths. Ocean and surface temperature measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives a line of empirical evidence that human CO2 emissions are causing global warming.

The line of empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming is as follows:

We're raising CO2 levels
Human carbon dioxide emissions are calculated from international energy statistics, tabulating coal, brown coal, peat, and crude oil production by nation and year, going back to 1751. CO2 emissions have increased dramatically over the last century, climbing to the rate of 29 billion tonnes of CO2 per year in 2006 (EIA).

Atmospheric CO2 levels are measured at hundreds of monitoring stations across the globe. Independent measurements are also conducted by airplanes and satellites. For periods before 1958, CO2 levels are determined from air bubbles trapped in polar ice cores. In pre-industrial times over the last 10,000 years, CO2 was relatively stable at around 275 to 285 parts per million. Over the last 250 years, atmospheric CO2 levels have increased by about 100 parts per million. Currently, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing by around 15 gigatonnes every year.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/CO2-Emissions-vs-Levels.gif
Figure 1: Atmospheric CO2 levels (Green is Law Dome ice core, Blue is Mauna Loa, Hawaii) and Cumulative CO2 emissions (CDIAC). While atmospheric CO2 levels are usually expressed in parts per million, here they are displayed as the amount of CO2 residing in the atmosphere in gigatonnes. CO2 emissions includes fossil fuel emissions, cement production and emissions from gas flaring.

Humans are emitting more than twice as much CO2 as what ends up staying there. Nature is reducing our impact on climate by absorbing more than half of our CO2 emissions. The amount of human CO2 left in the air, called the "airborne fraction", has hovered around 43% since 1958.

CO2 traps heat
According to radiative physics and decades of laboratory measurements, increased CO2 in the atmosphere is expected to absorb more infrared radiation as it escapes back out to space. In 1970, NASA launched the IRIS satellite measuring infrared spectra. In 1996, the Japanese Space Agency launched the IMG satellite which recorded similar observations. Both sets of data were compared to discern any changes in outgoing radiation over the 26 year period (Harries 2001). What they found was a drop in outgoing radiation at the wavelength bands that greenhouse gases such as CO2 and methane (CH4) absorb energy. The change in outgoing radiation was consistent with theoretical expectations. Thus the paper found "direct experimental evidence for a significant increase in the Earth's greenhouse effect". This result has been confirmed by subsequent papers using data from later satellites (Griggs 2004, Chen 2007).

http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/harries_radiation.gif
Figure 2: Change in spectrum from 1970 to 1996 due to trace gases. 'Brightness temperature' indicates equivalent blackbody temperature (Harries 2001).

When greenhouse gases absorb infrared radiation, the energy heats the atmosphere which in turn re-radiates infrared radiation in all directions. Some makes its way back to the earth's surface. Hence we expect to find more infrared radiation heading downwards. Surface measurements from 1973 to 2008 find an increasing trend of infrared radiation returning to earth (Wang 2009). A regional study over the central Alps found that downward infrared radiation is increasing due to the enhanced greenhouse effect (Philipona 2004). Taking this a step further, an analysis of high resolution spectral data allowed scientists to quantitatively attribute the increase in downward radiation to each of several greenhouse gases (Evans 2006). The results lead the authors to conclude that "this experimental data should effectively end the argument by skeptics that no experimental evidence exists for the connection between greenhouse gas increases in the atmosphere and global warming."

http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Greenhouse_Spectrum.gif
Figure 3: Spectrum of the greenhouse radiation measured at the surface. Greenhouse effect from water vapor is filtered out, showing the contributions of other greenhouse gases (Evans 2006).

They filter out water vapour. Doesnt it exist or would it over shadow the results.
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Reply #31 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:39am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:36am:
Just out of interest.

If you wanted to be funded to work on climate change. Do you have to come up with an answer that supports man made climate change or in another way, what happens if your answer doesn't support man made climate change.

Does anyone have any numbers on this or information.


Ah, the conspiracy! Who is in control of all of this funding? What shadowy body could be coordinating research funding across national borders so as to ONLY fund scientists that make findings that support AGW and to what end?  Cheesy
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Reply #32 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:39am
 
astro_surf wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:39am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:36am:
Just out of interest.

If you wanted to be funded to work on climate change. Do you have to come up with an answer that supports man made climate change or in another way, what happens if your answer doesn't support man made climate change.

Does anyone have any numbers on this or information.


Ah, the conspiracy! Who is in control of all of this funding? What shadowy body could be coordinating research funding across national borders so as to ONLY fund scientists that make findings that support AGW and to what end?  Cheesy

It is a legitimate question and one that could surely be answered.
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Reply #33 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:40am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:37am:
They filter out water vapour. Doesnt it exist or would it over shadow the results.


That's a complete lie of course:


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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #34 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:41am
 
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What the science says...
Direct observations find that CO2 is rising sharply due to human activity. Satellite and surface measurements find less energy is escaping to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths. Ocean and surface temperature measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives a line of empirical evidence that human CO2 emissions are causing global warming.

The line of empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming is as follows:

We're raising CO2 levels
Human carbon dioxide emissions are calculated from international energy statistics, tabulating coal, brown coal, peat, and crude oil production by nation and year, going back to 1751. CO2 emissions have increased dramatically over the last century, climbing to the rate of 29 billion tonnes of CO2 per year in 2006 (EIA).



ASTRO, THIS ISNT CLEAR CUT EVIDENCE, THIS IS JUST VAGUE LOOKING GRAPHS THAT COULD BE INTERPRETED BY MANY OTHER ANGLES FROM OTHER SCIENTISTS,


You should know better than that.


Astro boy, IM TALKING ABOUT CONCRETE IREFUTABLE AND UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE,

What you just posted is not CONCRETE and can be REFUTED AND DENIED by any OPEN MINDED SCIENTISTS WHO ARE NOT RESTRAINED BY A BELIEF IN CLIMATE DOOMSDAYING
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Reply #35 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:42am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:39am:
It is a legitimate question and one that could surely be answered.


Please do! I'm gagging to scratch the surface a bit deeper and just see how far down the rabbit hole you lot have really gone! Cheesy

Who IS coordinating this global effort? Is it the UN? The Bilderbergers? Shape shifting reptoids from the constellation of Drakos?? Or is it the Reverse Vampires? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #36 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:44am
 
stryder wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:41am:
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What the science says...
Direct observations find that CO2 is rising sharply due to human activity. Satellite and surface measurements find less energy is escaping to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths. Ocean and surface temperature measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives a line of empirical evidence that human CO2 emissions are causing global warming.

The line of empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming is as follows:

We're raising CO2 levels
Human carbon dioxide emissions are calculated from international energy statistics, tabulating coal, brown coal, peat, and crude oil production by nation and year, going back to 1751. CO2 emissions have increased dramatically over the last century, climbing to the rate of 29 billion tonnes of CO2 per year in 2006 (EIA).



ASTRO, THIS ISNT CLEAR CUT EVIDENCE, THIS IS JUST VAGUE LOOKING GRAPHS THAT COULD BE INTERPRETED BY MANY OTHER ANGLES FROM OTHER SCIENTISTS,


You should know better than that.


Astro boy, IM TALKING ABOUT CONCRETE IREFUTABLE AND UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE,

What you just posted is not CONCRETE and can be REFUTED AND DENIED by any OPEN MINDED SCIENTISTS WHO IS NOT CONSTRUED BY BELIEF IN CLIMATE DOOMSDAYING


Yeah, you're a complete wingnut. You're too dumb to understand the evidence, evidently!
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #37 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:52am
 
stryder wrote on Jun 11th, 2011 at 8:45pm:
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All together now....

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


You better believe it, IF YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE OPINION POLLS LABOR ARE STUFFING THEMSELVES UP WITH THIS
NOT THE TONY ABBOTT OR THE OPPOSITION,
 Grin Grin





Coalition maintains big lead: Newspoll

May 30, 2011 10:34PM

According to the latest Newspoll survey, conducted exclusively for The Australian last weekend,
the Coalition's primary vote fell from 46 per cent to 44 per cent
over the past fortnight, while
Labor's rose one point to 34 per cent
and
the Greens jumped four percentage points to 14 per cent.


Based on preference flows at last year's election,
the Coalition's two-party preferred vote dropped from 54 per cent to 52 per cent
and
Labor's rose from 46 per cent to 48 per cent.
At the August election last year Labor got 50.1 per cent of the two-party preferred vote to the Coalition's 49.9 per cent.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/coalition-maintains-big-lead-ne...


Yeah, gotta LUV that Murdoch SKEW !




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Reply #38 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:53am
 
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Yeah, you're a complete wingnut. You're too dumb to understand the evidence, evidently!



Gimme something better than that if you can,
ASTRO TWIT
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Reply #39 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:54am
 
astro_surf wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:40am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:37am:
They filter out water vapour. Doesnt it exist or would it over shadow the results.


That's a complete lie of course:



What are peter sinclairs credentials in climate science?
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Reply #40 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:55am
 
When you are shown evidence, you deny it, that's why you are a denier.
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
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Reply #41 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:56am
 
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Coalition maintains big lead: Newspoll
May 30, 2011 10:34PM

According to the latest Newspoll survey, conducted exclusively for The Australian last weekend, the Coalition's primary vote fell from 46 per cent to 44 per cent over the past fortnight, while Labor's rose one point to 34 per cent and the Greens jumped four percentage points to 14 per cent.

Based on preference flows at last year's election, the Coalition's two-party preferred vote dropped from 54 per cent to 52 per cent and Labor's rose from 46 per cent to 48 per cent. At the August election last year Labor got 50.1 per cent of the two-party preferred vote to the Coalition's 49.9 per cent.



OH THAT WAS A MASSIVE SEISMIC SHIFT OF WHAT 2% BUZZZZZ, I GUESS THATS THE ONLY GOOD NEWS HE COULD GET IN 6 MONTHS
 Grin Grin Grin


THE LAST TIME I CHECKED ON THAT TONY ABBOTT AND THE LIBERALS ARE STILL IN FRONT
BUZZZZ BRAIN
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Reply #42 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:57am
 
astro_surf wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:42am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:39am:
It is a legitimate question and one that could surely be answered.


Please do! I'm gagging to scratch the surface a bit deeper and just see how far down the rabbit hole you lot have really gone! Cheesy

Who IS coordinating this global effort? Is it the UN? The Bilderbergers? Shape shifting reptoids from the constellation of Drakos?? Or is it the Reverse Vampires? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

It could quite easily be shaped by an environmental movement. Look at governments. They get infiltrated all the time.

If you want to be stupid enough to believe everything you hear, without question, then go ahead. In the mean time ill do my thing.
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Reply #43 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:58am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:54am:
astro_surf wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:40am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:37am:
They filter out water vapour. Doesnt it exist or would it over shadow the results.


That's a complete lie of course:



What are peter sinclairs credentials in climate science?


How does that in anyway relate to your demonstrably false claim that water vapour is "filtered" out? Just trying to change the subject now, are we? Roll Eyes
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Reply #44 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 12:01pm
 
astro_surf wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:58am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:54am:
astro_surf wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:40am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:37am:
They filter out water vapour. Doesnt it exist or would it over shadow the results.


That's a complete lie of course:



What are peter sinclairs credentials in climate science?


How does that in anyway relate to your demonstrably false claim that water vapour is "filtered" out? Just trying to change the subject now, are we? Roll Eyes

Im keeping it on subject. Sceptics are denied all the time. What are his credentials to bring us this video.
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