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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #75 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 4:06pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:39pm:

The New Testament does not preach death to non-believers. It does not teach exclusion, hatred or judgement of others. It does not teach "death to all appeasers", who according to Yadda above, are God's adversaries and will all go to hell.

Paul himself was a reformed zealot. When he says to "abhor that which is evil" and "cleave to that which is good", he is referring to the decisions we make in our own lives. He is not encouraging hatred, scorn and judgement of others - he is advising to do the exact opposite.

Abhoring evil is not about preaching hatred. It's about being firm in your resolve and willingness to forgive. This is a very difficult thing to practice, but it is, I think, the very essence of what Longweekend means by the New Covenant.

How can anyone possibly ignore the following sentence in Romans 12:9: "be kindly affectioned to one another in brotherly love"?

Or: "bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not?"

Or: "for I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."

Therefore, the point of Yadda's quote is not to discriminate against others; church-going Christian, Seventh Day Adventist, "replacement theologian", Islam-appeasing, pro or anti-Israel, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, or anyone else.

This isn't a problem with the book (or the translation). It's not even a problem with the interpretation - any layman should be able to understand it.

It's a problem with NOT reading the very book you're basing your judgement upon.

The question for me is this: how can self-professed Christians ignore the central message of their own faith?

As the New American Standard Bible says it: "let love be without hypocrisy."

It's easy to play Bible quotes, friends - much harder to live them!

Among the shite, a line of truth.

Yadda is a sinful person, Yadda is a morally challenged person, ...i carry the same moral burden as everyone else.
....and yet, Jesus loves me.

Matthew 18:15
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Paul said....

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

But we would be foolish children [of God], to imagine that wickedness will not be its own reward.

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #76 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 4:46pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 4:06pm:

Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Exactly. Forgiveness - no matter how hard it is.

It's not that complicated or esoteric. The message seems pretty clear to me.

The wicked will face judgement - as all do - but not from us.

Forgive, effende, bless Him, bless Him.

Thou art forgiven.

You can go back to church now.

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #77 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:30pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:50pm:

Quote:

God tells man,
"You can choose to do whatever you like. I give your body 'life' and the spirit [life force] which motivates your body, comes from me. And there will be an accounting when you die. I set before you a blessing and a curse, good and evil, it is your choice which you will take up."

that is a very poor explanation, simplistic to its core and missing the divine elements of grace and redemption.

Grace and redemption ?

The answers are all in the OT.

Read about the period of bondage in Egypt.

Read about the scapegoat, being released to wander in the world. Leviticus 16.

Physical 'Israel', were always a part of a spiritual analogy.

The Bible is a book full of spiritual analogies.

The NT prodigal son parable, etc, etc.

And the parable of the 'talents';

"For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods."

IMO, our life is all about our making choices, and [the necessity of us to] coming to understand that there are always consequences for the choices we make.

1 Corinthians 10:1
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

What do we lust after ???

Have we learnt anything in our journey, in this place ???

Have we come to love righteousness ???

OR, do we still love this world [....more than God's righteousness] ???

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
...
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Grace and redemption ?

What did Jesus say would happen to the 'unprofitable' servant [in the parable of the 'talents'] ??? Matthew 25:30

Understand it.

Our God, is a God of righteousness.

Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Jeremiah 9:23
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

God, is real.

God is a spirit being.

Men are flesh.

And you, my friend, are a fool. your theology is badly corrupted by your own thinking. When referring to 'grace' one does not go to the OT as you seem to always do. 'grace' is provided by the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus. Reading your replies confirms that you know next-to-nothing of Grace and Redemption. Have you noticed that you do not even bother to answer any of my comments? You are so fixated on your own 'learning' that you reject anybodys elses doctrine. Trouble is, your doctrine appears to be mainly non-biblical garbage. I cant even get you to discuss the issue. you merely quote tons of scripture - usually no relevant - and then through in a few irrelevant comments.

You very much need to go to church and get your doctrine realigned to the Bible - not YOUR thinking.

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #78 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:31pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:18pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 11:07pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 10:07pm:

To quote one of my work colleagues to a different query I raised at the time but equally apt now -

"Rest of the world don't mean jack sh*t. This is America, this right here, right now USA"

The AMERICAN people for whom this system governs are strongly in favour of the death penalty and such is how it is.

District Attorneys run for re-election, over-turning the will of the people ain't a good look.

that alone is a travesty of judicial principles. an independant judiciary cannto exist when it has to be elected by the people.

Yeah who would have though eh?

A District Attorney system where they are answerable to the people for whom they serve?

How novel.

However on death penalty cases, as you know, it goes all the way up to the Supreme Court if necessary who are not elected by the public by appointed based on their service.

The death penalty has MAJORITY SUPPORT in this country.

Exactly so Andrei.Hicks.

Surely some official [a judge, or DA's] being accountable to the people [he or she serves] is to be preferred, to having such officials appointed by some incompetent 'bureaucracy' ???

Look at the state of 'justice system' in this country, Australia.

The 'justice system' in Australia is dysfunctional.

Street brawling, granny raping housebreakers, murderers, drunk drivers who cause death of innocent people.

Where is the deterrent ???

The 'justice system' in Australia is very sad joke.

If i had my way....
.....i'd be sending our pollies, and judges to prison, for their reckless incompetence and their clear moral corruption.

feel the grace and compassion...

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #79 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:33pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:08pm:

[quote]If we join ourselves with the wicked, that is, if we ourselves, tolerate what is wicked, we will be judged with the wicked.

I would suggest that despite your years of bible study you really DONT understand grace and redemption - the major theme of the bible.

And therein lies the rub.

The New Testament does not preach death to non-believers. It does not teach exclusion, hatred or judgement of others. It does not teach "death to all appeasers", who according to Yadda above, are God's adversaries and will all go to hell.

Paul himself was a reformed zealot. When he says to "abhor that which is evil" and "cleave to that which is good", he is referring to the decisions we make in our own lives. He is not encouraging hatred, scorn and judgement of others - he is advising to do the exact opposite.

Abhoring evil is not about preaching hatred. It's about being firm in your resolve and willingness to forgive. This is a very difficult thing to practice, but it is, I think, the very essence of what Longweekend means by the New Covenant.

How can anyone possibly ignore the following sentence in Romans 12:9: "be kindly affectioned to one another in brotherly love"?

Or: "bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not?"

Or: "for I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."

Therefore, the point of Yadda's quote is not to discriminate against others; church-going Christian, Seventh Day Adventist, "replacement theologian", Islam-appeasing, pro or anti-Israel, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, or anyone else.

This isn't a problem with the book (or the translation). It's not even a problem with the interpretation - any layman should be able to understand it.

It's a problem with NOT reading the very book you're basing your judgement upon.

The question for me is this: how can self-professed Christians ignore the central message of their own faith?

As the New American Standard Bible says it: "let love be without hypocrisy."

It's easy to play Bible quotes, friends - much harder to live them![/quote]

aint that the truth!!

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #80 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:36pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 4:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:39pm:

The New Testament does not preach death to non-believers. It does not teach exclusion, hatred or judgement of others. It does not teach "death to all appeasers", who according to Yadda above, are God's adversaries and will all go to hell.

Paul himself was a reformed zealot. When he says to "abhor that which is evil" and "cleave to that which is good", he is referring to the decisions we make in our own lives. He is not encouraging hatred, scorn and judgement of others - he is advising to do the exact opposite.

Abhoring evil is not about preaching hatred. It's about being firm in your resolve and willingness to forgive. This is a very difficult thing to practice, but it is, I think, the very essence of what Longweekend means by the New Covenant.

How can anyone possibly ignore the following sentence in Romans 12:9: "be kindly affectioned to one another in brotherly love"?

Or: "bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not?"

Or: "for I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."

Therefore, the point of Yadda's quote is not to discriminate against others; church-going Christian, Seventh Day Adventist, "replacement theologian", Islam-appeasing, pro or anti-Israel, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, or anyone else.

This isn't a problem with the book (or the translation). It's not even a problem with the interpretation - any layman should be able to understand it.

It's a problem with NOT reading the very book you're basing your judgement upon.

The question for me is this: how can self-professed Christians ignore the central message of their own faith?

As the New American Standard Bible says it: "let love be without hypocrisy."

It's easy to play Bible quotes, friends - much harder to live them!

Among the shite, a line of truth.

Yadda is a sinful person, Yadda is a morally challenged person, ...i carry the same moral burden as everyone else.
....and yet, Jesus loves me.

Matthew 18:15
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Paul said....

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

But we would be foolish children [of God], to imagine that wickedness will not be its own reward.

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

All you ever do is throw down some disconnected bible verses and pretend that this constructs an argument for your position

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #81 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 8:48am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:30pm:

And you, my friend, are a fool.

I concede.

That is true.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:30pm:

....your theology is badly corrupted by your own thinking.

When referring to 'grace' one does not go to the OT as you seem to always do. 'grace' is provided by the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus.

Reading your replies confirms that you know next-to-nothing of Grace and Redemption. Have you noticed that you do not even bother to answer any of my comments?

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:30pm:

You are so fixated on your own 'learning' that you reject anybodys elses doctrine.

Trouble is, your doctrine appears to be mainly non-biblical garbage.

I cant even get you to discuss the issue. you merely quote tons of scripture - usually no relevant - and then through in a few irrelevant comments.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 63:16
Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.
17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.

Isaiah 54:6
For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:30pm:

You very much need to go to church and get your doctrine realigned to the Bible

- not YOUR thinking.

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Timothy 3:5
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #82 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 8:53am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 10:11am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 5:31pm:

And despite all your lengthy King James quotes ( you do know there are modern english translations that are more accurate, right?)

If that is what you want to believe.

it is an unequivocal fact.

You have said that modern English translations of the Bible are more accurate [than the KJV].

Do you have an example which clearly demonstrates that unequivocal fact ?

I do not believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God.

I believe that the original Bible texts were written by men.

But i do believe that those men were guided, inspired, by the spirit of God.

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longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:30pm:

You very much need to go to church and get your doctrine realigned to the Bible

- not YOUR thinking.

I need to be guided by today's Church ?

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

longweekend58,

Do you imagine that Paul, above, is speaking of 'The Anti-Christ' ???

Do you believe that 'The Anti-Christ' is some future, end time personality, that will be guided by the spirit of SATAN ???

LOL

Such blindness.

2 Timothy 2:15-KJV reads, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God." NKJV and NASV change "study" to "be diligent." NIV and RSV change "study" to "do your best."

Q.
Don't MEN today, exalt themselves above God ???

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Such blindness.

longweekend58,

Rather than to study to do what the best of men can do [i.e. to exalt myself], shouldn't i really seek to be guided today, by God's spirit [and not by men] ?

And don't i really need to;

"Study to shew [myself] approved unto God." ???

Yadda the heretic.

Isaiah 57:15
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #83 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 9:20am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:31pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:18pm:

Street brawling, granny raping housebreakers, murderers, drunk drivers who cause death of innocent people.

Where is the deterrent ???

The 'justice system' in Australia is very sad joke.

If i had my way....
.....i'd be sending our pollies, and judges to prison, for their reckless incompetence and their clear moral corruption.

feel the grace and compassion...

So in your reality there is no place for judgement and justice, beside grace and compassion ?

You would give justice to the victims of criminals and oppressors, by telling the victim [or their family], that we must show grace and compassion, to criminals and oppressors ?

And that is how justice is served,
.....in your reality ???

By forgiving the wicked, and the violent ?

Psalms 33:4
For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.
5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.

Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:...

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Isaiah 56:1
Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Isaiah 61:8
For I the LORD love judgment,...

Jeremiah 22:3
Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.

Amos 5:14
Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken.
15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.

Hosea 12:6
Therefore turn thou to thy God: keep mercy and judgment, and wait on thy God continually.

How can we deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor, without judgement of the oppressor / criminal ?

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #84 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 9:27am

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2011 at 8:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 10:11am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 5:31pm:

And despite all your lengthy King James quotes ( you do know there are modern english translations that are more accurate, right?)

If that is what you want to believe.

it is an unequivocal fact.

You have said that modern English translations of the Bible are more accurate [than the KJV].

Do you have an example which clearly demonstrates that unequivocal fact ?

I do not believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God.

I believe that the original Bible texts were written by men.

But i do believe that those men were guided, inspired, by the spirit of God.

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longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:30pm:

You very much need to go to church and get your doctrine realigned to the Bible

- not YOUR thinking.

I need to be guided by today's Church ?

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

longweekend58,

Do you imagine that Paul, above, is speaking of 'The Anti-Christ' ???

Do you believe that 'The Anti-Christ' is some future, end time personality, that will be guided by the spirit of SATAN ???

LOL

Such blindness.

2 Timothy 2:15-KJV reads, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God." NKJV and NASV change "study" to "be diligent." NIV and RSV change "study" to "do your best."

Q.
Don't MEN today, exalt themselves above God ???

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Such blindness.

longweekend58,

Rather than to study to do what the best of men can do [i.e. to exalt myself], shouldn't i really seek to be guided today, by God's spirit [and not by men] ?

And don't i really need to;

"Study to shew [myself] approved unto God." ???

Yadda the heretic.

Isaiah 57:15
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

pretty much the only thing you got right.

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #85 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 9:29am

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So in your reality there is no place for judgement and justice, beside grace and compassion ?

You would give justice to the victims of criminals and oppressors, by telling the victim [or their family], that we must show grace and compassion, to criminals and oppressors ?

And that is how justice is served,
.....in your reality ???

By forgiving the wicked, and the violent ?

for someone who claims to have read the Bible you clearly didnt understand much of it, especially those pesky passages about forgiveness.

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #86 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 10:02am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 17^th, 2011 at 9:27am:

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2011 at 8:53am:

Yadda the heretic.

pretty much the only thing you got right.

And do you convince me of my sin ?

Acts 24:13
Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Luke 24:25
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #87 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 10:09am

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2011 at 9:20am:

So in your reality there is no place for judgement and justice, beside grace and compassion ?

You would give justice to the victims of criminals and oppressors, by telling the victim [or their family], that we must show grace and compassion, to criminals and oppressors ?

And that is how justice is served,
.....in your reality ???

By forgiving the wicked, and the violent ?

This sounds like a completely new revelation to you, Yadda, which is a bit strange, considering it's - pretty much - the whole point of the New Testament.

In this country, we excercise judgement and justice in the courts.

Revenge, honour killings, kangaroo courts, trial by media, and all the rest - these are antithetical to Christianity and Christian societies.

Yes, it's a fact, sad but true: the Bible advises forgiveness, grace and compassion for all criminals and opressors.

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Re: Death Sentence in Tenn.
Reply #88 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 12:16pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2011 at 8:53am:

I do not believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God.

I believe that the original Bible texts were written by men.

But i do believe that those men were guided, inspired, by the spirit of God.

Good points, Yadda. I agree. The Bible is a compilation of heterogenous texts selected and put together by a committee - the first Council of Nicea.

Many of the non-selected books were destroyed. Some, like the Nag Hamadi texts, were saved from the fire and discovered - like the Dead Sea Scrolls - after WWII.

The Nag Hamadi gospels (the gospels of Thomas, Judas, Mary Magdalene and others) present Jesus as a mystic. He's not the dour, pious man presented in the New Testament, but a cryptic storyteller with a great sense of humour.

There were no half measures with Jesus. He fasted, went alone into the desert, hung out with the poor and unpopular, and submitted willingly to his torture and execution.

And he forgave his torturers for the most brutal, corrupt and unjust execution of power - his own execution for narrow political purposes.

And I'm sure he meant this to be an example. Jesus did not go around blaming Romans and condemning them all to hell. He publicly forgave them. As Jesus said, "I come not to bring peace, but a sword."

It's a hard truth, Yadda. Jesus did not follow the status quo. His teachings are not easy. As he said, "not all who go in my name shall enter the Kingdom."

The purpose of these quotes is not semantic. They are ways to live life. They are meant to be applied, like all spiritual teachings, in practice.

There are no inerrant words of God. Language is the stuff of mortals. God, wherever and whomever he or she is, lives in our actions.

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Reply #89 - Jun 17^th, 2011 at 1:06pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 17^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

The Nag Hamadi gospels (the gospels of Thomas, Judas, Mary Magdalene and others) present Jesus as a mystic. He's not the dour, pious man presented in the New Testament, but a cryptic storyteller with a great sense of humour.

There were no half measures with Jesus. He fasted, went alone into the desert, hung out with the poor and unpopular, and submitted willingly to his torture and execution.

And he forgave his torturers for the most brutal, corrupt and unjust execution of power - his own execution for narrow political purposes.

And I'm sure he meant this to be an example. Jesus did not go around blaming Romans and condemning them all to hell. He publicly forgave them. As Jesus said, "I come not to bring peace, but a sword."

It's a hard truth, Yadda. Jesus did not follow the status quo. His teachings are not easy. As he said, "not all who go in my name shall enter the Kingdom."

The purpose of these quotes is not semantic. They are ways to live life. They are meant to be applied, like all spiritual teachings, in practice.

There are no inerrant words of God. Language is the stuff of mortals. God, wherever and whomever he or she is, lives in our actions.

Matthew 27:25
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Google;

atonement blood two goats, scapegoat

Leviticus 16:7
And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.
9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

The world is the wilderness, where the scapegoat must wander...

Deuteronomy 4:26
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
27 And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.

Deuteronomy 28:64
And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

Deuteronomy 28:37
And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.

....how long ?

Luke 21:24

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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