Soren wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:00pm:


You really believe that?
You think if she came out & said I think a carbon tax is stupid she would have received the vitriol she did?
You seem as Tony does, to think the general public has the IQ & memory of a door knob.

Soren wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 11:30am:


What IS confronting for me is the fact that the opposition is happy to exploit the political advantage arising from the huge advertisng campaigns, from industries trying to control government policy.
We saw the mining industry spending millions to crate public support for their opposition to the mining Industry Super Tax, and we saw the virulent anti Labor element of that campaign exploited by the opposition, where they helped perpetuate the myth that the mining industry billionaires have the best interest of the Australian people at heart, rather than purely self interest based greed.

We saw the opposition also being supportive of the Tobacco companies, until polls showed that even with the millions of ad dollars being spent, the public were ill at ease with attempts to ignore the health implications attached to tobacco, so Abbott wisely reduced his "public" support for their campaign, for the moment at least.
The opposition links to Big Tobacco are still something that concerns many people, and their financial support for the Libs has been a long term investment that we can expect the tobacco companies to want to see a return on, at some stage, most likely to be called on when they are back in government.
The Coal Industry has also been involved with the anti-Carbon Tax movement, and the strongly anti-Labor component of that campaign is electoral gold for the opposition, that they are only too happy to exploit.

So to see the likes of Abbott, disrespecting Cate Blanchett as being an elitist who is out of touch with the electorate, smacks of unmitigated hypocrisy, while at the very same time, they lap up the support from the likes of Gina Reinhardt and Andrew Forrest, who they actively supported, to the cost of billions in revenue for the Australian Public.

The Libs are playing a dangerous game on the Climate Change issue, by trying to be all things to all people, in publicly accepting the scientific consensus, and agreeing to a Carbon Reduction Target, the same as that of Labor, but while still promoting the climate sceptics position at every opportunity, and by offering policies which would see billions of tax payer dollars diverted to the biggest polluters, for direct action campaigns that would be both expensive, and ineffective.

So the most confronting thing for me is having an opposition claiming to take climate science seriously, and claiming to want to meet Carbon reduction targets, but whose track record shows that their primary concern has been to serve the interests of the Big Businesses who have been spending hundreds of millions on Ad campaigns with extremely strong anti-Labor messages.

If you believe the best interests of the community are the same as the best interests of these companies, then Liberal Policy will make sense for you, but if you think that these companies are putting their own interests before those of the community in general, then you would have to share my concerns about an Abbott led, Liberal Party, and the policies which may arise if he becomes PM, and those who have given such huge financial support, start demanding their return on investment be met by him.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:19pm:



mmmmmmmmmmmm and I find the LABOR PARTY EVEN MORE CONFRONTING. sickeningly so!

Former NSW MP Milton Orkopoulos faces sentencing
Estranged family is financially ruined
MPs asked to donate $100 each to help out
NSW Labor MPs have been sent a letter asking them to donate $100 each to the family of convicted pedophile Milton Orkopoulos.

As the former NSW Aboriginal affairs minister prepares today to face sentencing over his conviction on 28 child sex and drugs charges, Iemma Government MPs are being asked to pass around the hat to help his financially ruined family.

The letter, signed by Hunter Labor MPs Jill Hall - federal member for Shortland


i ALSO FIND IT CONFRONTING THAT THEY ALWAYS SUPPORT SOMEONE CHARGED WITH PAEDOPHILIA, WHILST AT THE SAME TIME DESTROYING THE WHISTLEBLOWER..

Soren wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:29pm:


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See, I do not for an instant believe that the concern of Reinhardt or Forrest is for the good of the people, but rather it is purely, what is most financially beneficial to themselves, and themselves alone.
I also believe that if they could get away with it they would be flying in cheap labour from India and China, and would not give a second thought to the local people they could then sack.

I am concerned about the amount of influence that people like this may have, if Abbott becomes PM, and they remind him of how much support they provided to his party, in undermining the Labor government, and the hundreds of millions they spent on advertising to do that.                                                                                                      

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problem. soren never said that the good of the people was necessarily their concern:

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he just said that what they were on about is good for the people. they may be acting in self interest for all we know (and honestly cate blanchett probably is too; nothing distinguishes yourself better in high society circles than to attach yourself to trendy social issues), but that doesn't mean that a consequence of this self-interest won't be some type of social good.

Soren wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:29pm:


Reinhardt and Forest were only looking after themselves.  They didnt want to pay more tax.

Murdoch, Caton, and Cate have no vested interest in this at all. What alterior motive can they have ?

mozzaok wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:47pm:



Up to a point.

Unions have a knack for pricing some of their members out of a job just so that those who keep theirs get a choice of flavours when the ice cream van comes tooting at 10.30.