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john_g Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1549 Gender:	Who hates both Abbott and Gillard? Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:32pm How would you rate them out of 10? Also, what about Julie Bishop and Wayne Swan? I'd give: Abbott - 2/10. Gillard - 0/10. Bishop 2/10. Swan - 0/10.
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Re: Who hates both Abbott and Gillard?
Reply #1 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:41pm

john_g wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:32pm:

How would you rate them out of 10? Also, what about Julie Bishop and Wayne Swan?

I'd give:

Abbott - 2/10.
Gillard - 0/10.
Bishop 2/10.
Swan - 0/10.

I think you're being overly kind to bishop and Abbott.
Gillard-1
Swan-0
Abbott-0
bishop-0

None of the above deserve to be leaders of this country, Gillard only gets a 1 vote because she is less evil and less inadequate than Abbott, just. While Swan and Bishop are both morons.

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Reply #2 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:42pm

zero for them all
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Re: Who hates both Abbott and Gillard?
Reply #3 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:48pm

Gillard - 5 /10

On key policy matters, she's actually doing ok. Anyone with an ounce of telco knowledge knows the NBN is a great thing. Anyone with a semblence of science, knows something must be done about climate change. Both of these two things are easy to attack, and harder to sell, but she is sticking to them.

Swan - 3 / 10.

Swan is no financial genius, but he does what his advisers tell me, and thats just fine by me. He's manage-able.

Abbott - 1 / 10.

I disagree with his mandate to bring down the government. In my opinion a good opposition attacks bad policy and lets though good. By attempting to bring down the government he brings down the country. Far to negative, and his climate and telco policy are just plain stupid and present significant soverign risk of breach of contract (ala Barry OFarrell)

Bishop - 4/10.

I'm warming to her. When not being a "no no no" Abbott style, her articles in the paper are quite intellegent. But needs to develop her agenda rather than being everybodies deputy.

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Who hates both Abbott and Gillard? Reply #4 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:08pm Gillard: 0 Abbott: 0 Swan: 10 for Comedy, 0 overall Bishop: 10 for STARE, 0 overall. Albanese: 6 Combet: 5 Robb: -10 Hockey: -10 Ruddock: 10 for seat warmer, -10 overall. Dutton: -10 Hunt: -10 Morrison: 10 for being a weasel, 0 overall.
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Reply #5 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:13pm

Abbott deserves a higher rating (7) as he is doing a splendid job as Opposition leader - holding the gov to account. He may or may not make a good PM but his is a cracking Leader of the Opposition.

Gillard is a lousy PM and she is doing a crap job (2). SHe may or may not be a good Opposition Leader but in her current role she is worse than Rudd. SHe hasn't been PM for a year - but people have stopped listening to her because we have all gone the bugger to sleep when she starts talking.

We are like the kids listening to this splendid Samuel L Jackson bedtime story: looking forward, in amazed disbelief, to what she is going to say next, but already laughing about how smacking incongruous it all is!! That's Gillard.

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Who hates both Abbott and Gillard? Reply #6 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:27pm Individually they're all rubbish, collectively they're a pile of rubbish.....zero all around.
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Reply #7 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:28pm

Abbott - A 10 for hanging on like a bulldog holding the most inept incompetent government in this nations history to account for their blundering backflipping ways.

Gillard - A 0 for being an inept incompetent lying unmarried athiest barren red haired soulless backflipping witch of a spinster.
Q. How can we tell when she is lying? That's easy.
A. When her lips move.

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Re: Who hates both Abbott and Gillard?
Reply #8 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:34pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

Gillard - A 0

Are you saying she's not a contender for Gyrating with the Nobodies (formerly known as Dancing with the (one) Stars)?

Come on! This must be worth something!!
Wink

ALl you ALP groupies, watch it with the sound down and you will never vote Gillard again.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Who hates both Abbott and Gillard? Reply #9 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:40pm so when are you guys putting your names forward for the next election.. start your own party make up your own policies...easy as pie.. whats your formost priority??? remember you only have one pot...no credit cards allowed.
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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:27pm:

Individually they're all rubbish, collectively they're a pile of rubbish.....zero all around.

I agree. They are all rubbish and undeserving of anyones vote. A real third force in politcs is way overdue. I had hopes for the Democrats at one point when I was young and foolish, but they let me down. Now I pin my hopes on independents.

I have not yet worked out if I am an optimist or a masochist. Undecided

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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Who hates both Abbott and Gillard? Reply #11 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:44pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:27pm: Individually they're all rubbish, collectively they're a pile of rubbish.....zero all around. Very good, the winner!
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Who hates both Abbott and Gillard? Reply #12 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:44pm cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:40pm: so when are you guys putting your names forward for the next election.. start your own party make up your own policies...easy as pie.. whats your formost priority??? remember you only have one pot...no credit cards allowed. or you can always just donkey.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Who hates both Abbott and Gillard? Reply #13 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:25pm I think both 'leaders' (and I use that term very loosely) are very poor in comparison with what Australia has had in the past.
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Re: Who hates both Abbott and Gillard?
Reply #14 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:42pm

Using the term "hate" is already signalling that you are a bit of an extremist, and as such your views can be more easily discounted as being less valid than those of more moderate people.
We may dislike politicians, or even hate some of their actions, but reasonable people appreciate that it is a very tough job, and popularity is not a great indication of effectiveness.

I would rate Gillard a 3 out of 10.
I would rate Abbott a 2 out of 10.
I would rate Swan a 2 out of 10.
And Bishop I would give 3 out of10.

Rudd was a much better seller of his ideas, but his personal character seemed to have been so universally loathed by those close to him, that it seems to have been his undoing.
I have never heard anyone come out and say what a "nice bloke" he was, rather that he was an egotistical control freak seems the most common assessment.
Hawke was extremely popular as a PM, but very ineffective in my opinion, and I fear that leaders who wish to be loved, will always be somewhat ineffectual, as a good leader has to be prepared to make the hard decisions, be they popular, or not.
Keating could do that, and he was hated by a lot for it, but he was the best PM in my lifetime, and I bemoan the fact that there is nobody like him on the horizon, just a lot more "beige" would be leaders in the wings.

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