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Re: An insincere explanation
Reply #15 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:19pm
 
creep wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 3:49pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 2:29pm:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 9:54am:
Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments


Carbon Tax
Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like

Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it


Direction
What direction? The NBN? The BER?


What is the Plan?
The plan is to have a plan by July 2012.

Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019.

Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015!


Remember grocery watch & fuel watch.
Labor has such a long list of under performance and incompetence,




And we cannot forget the rorts and the deaths thanks to the ALP's incompetence!

Yeh, a little birdy tells me you won't get far pushing those lines!
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Re: An insincere explanation
Reply #16 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:20pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:10pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:03pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 4:26pm:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:55am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:48am:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 9:54am:
Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments


Carbon Tax
Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like

Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it


Direction
What direction? The NBN? The BER?


What is the Plan?
The plan is to have a plan by July 2012.

Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019.

Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015!


Not actually correct Maqqa.....The broadband plan under the Liberals was a technological 'lemon'....Most of the population would have ended up on a serious outdated wireless system.....Only capitol cities would have received fibreoptic service..



If it was a lemon then why did Labor promise a similar system in 2007 at a similar cost?


Because it was cheaper than the NBN..

It takes a while for some people to realise that with technology (computer systems in particular), if you want 'good' you have to pay for it..


but how many people are unhappy with their adsl 2+ internet service? I dont know of ANY. sure fix up the spots where that service does not exist but in the end the NBN will still provide tha same service as we get currently.


Oh I agree....but not everybody can get adsl2+, 2pair copper has a degradation range limit..
I think we should replace the copper with fibre, but we don't need a 'special' company to provide government-partnered internet..



Bet most of those who claim that they can't get ADSL or even a mobile broadband USB stick connection also have a mobile phone.

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Re: An insincere explanation
Reply #17 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:20pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 1:30pm:
I think of the current crop -

Rudd was a leader. He just didn't carry his own party members. His support tended to be more out in the field with non-party members. Very good to win elections, very poor mid-term when you need your own men to back you. He was accepted, he was never liked. There's clearly reasons for that, it can't be everyone else that has the problem.

Gillard is not a leader. She is more liked in her own party - but I don't think anyone thinks she is a politician of moral conviction. She's a classic former ambulance chaser lawyer, say or do anything depending on the way in which the wind blows. When she is gone, nobody will look back on her time as PM and say it was any good.

Abbott's leadership is interesting. His policies and beliefs are a lot more in sync with mine than many, but he just lacks that statesmanship for a PM in my opinion. Again he is liked by his own party - or the vast majority - but he struggles to win the centre ground.

Turnbull is the Rudd of the Liberals. He'd win an election with ease. He'd have won the last one. But he is too much to the Left on several key issues for people of my political mindset to be totally comfortable with him. I like his economic policies, it is his social ones where I have the issue.

Who out there could lead the country well?

I can honestly say I can't think of anyone. This current crop of politicians has to be the poorest in standard for many decades.

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Andrei, Abbott is doing well as leader of the Opposition. Turnbull is not trusted by the right....like you, most of the lib voters do not trust his social position. He read the public sentiment badly when he fell in with Rudd and his ETS schemes. Secretly, he is a socialist, I believe. He is just finding it opportune to be in the Liberal Party. As I have said before, he would make a good leader of the Labor Party.

Abbott is denigrated as "The Mad Monk", but there is much more to him than his fling with the priesthood. He is very much a community spirited man, has a strong social conscience, has a degree in Economics, is a Rhodes Scholar, has been a journalist, is a big supporter and works tirelessly for things he believes in, i.e. a volunteer Fire Fighter, a volunteer lifesaver, various charities for whom he rides, or runs. I see a man of good character and one who is maligned unfairly. He should be given a chance at being PM, as he has brought the Liberal Party out of the doldrums they were in under Turnbull. I think he would make an excellent Prime Minister. The left have been waiting for him to go off  half-cocked, but it hasn't happened.....what they are remembering is his stint as chief headkicker for the libs....but he is now in a different position and knows it.

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Reply #18 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:25pm
 
adls2+ @ 1.5 meg 3km out from an exchange is a joke!

An absolute disgrace when you consider our earth is building China and it's all going down in the history books!!!!

Shocked Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: An insincere explanation
Reply #19 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:51pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:25pm:
adls2+ @ 1.5 meg 3km out from an exchange is a joke!

An absolute disgrace when you consider our earth is building China and it's all going down in the history books!!!!

Shocked Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Adsl2+ starts at about 8 to 10 meg...

1.5 meg is standard adsl speed..
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Re: An insincere explanation
Reply #20 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 6:05pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:51pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:25pm:
adls2+ @ 1.5 meg 3km out from an exchange is a joke!

An absolute disgrace when you consider our earth is building China and it's all going down in the history books!!!!

Shocked Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Adsl2+ starts at about 8 to 10 meg...

1.5 meg is standard adsl speed..




awwww you showed him up Smiley
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