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Change of attitude needed as debate overheats
Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:42pm
 
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Change of attitude needed as debate overheats
BY ROSSLYN BEEBY
14 Jun, 2011 04:00 AM

An excess of vitriol has led to a climate of fear among scientists.
What are the essential qualities of a good debate? According to the Kettering Foundation - a United States think tank that explores issues of democracy - good debate is characterised by broad participation, civility, diversity of views and a willingness to consider opposing arguments and re-examine one's own. Good debate is not about personal attacks or ''bully pulpit'' generalisations.

Just over a week ago, The Canberra Times published a story revealing Australia's climate scientists are being targeted by ''a vicious unrelenting email campaign that has resulted in police investigations of death threats''. It's been interesting to watch, and read, the reaction.

Seriously, who could condone abusive, violent threats against Australia's scientists? Or, apparently taking their cue from the kind of sexist comments that launched the global Slutwalk phenomenon, argue those arrogant climate scientists are just asking for it?

Naturally, there are opposing views on climate change and the Gillard Government's proposed carbon tax, just as there were opposing views on the introduction of a goods and services tax. But it's possible to disagree with dignity.

Various bloggers have accused us of ''beating up'' our front-page story from a handful of complaints. Not so. We spoke to more than 30 scientists, in all states and territories, to ascertain if threats were confined to pockets of high-profile scientists regularly quoted by the media. They were not. It seems anyone speaking up on climate change - however briefly - is fair game in this trolling campaign.

Two of the most shocking cases involved young women who have had little media experience or exposure. One was invited to speak on climate change at a suburban library. Her brief was simple - talk about everyday things people can do to cut their carbon footprint, talk about climate books available at the library (list provided), leave time for questions, and mingle afterwards. The other woman was asked by a local newspaper to pose with her young children for a photograph to illustrate an article promoting a community tree-planting event. She was briefly quoted as saying planting trees could help mitigate climate change. Two days after the article appeared, she received emails containing threats of sexual assault and violence against her children.

As for the woman speaking at the library, her car windscreen was smeared with excrement - animal or human, does it matter? - and the words ''climate turd'' written (also in excrement) across the car bonnet. Proof perhaps, of a climate dissenter with a Freudian complex indicating arrested development.

These vile attacks were intended to intimidate. Why not raise a difference of opinion during the half-hour of coffee and chat after the library talk? Why send abusive emails to a young woman whose photograph illustrates a chatty story in the back pages of a regional newspaper?


Several bloggers who dispute the reality of climate change have disputed the veracity of these threats. Opposition science spokeswoman Sophie Mirabella issued a statement claiming, ''the apparently false allegation of death threats have diminished the individuals involved and reflect poorly on the scientific community''.

False allegation? Who did she speak to? Apparently not the climate scientist who has been advised by state police to install a panic button in his office after receiving death threats. Or to the scientist who had his house vandalised (hence police advice to install video surveillance), or the researcher who received an email, with a marksman's target superimposed on his photo. Sorry Sophie, none of this behaviour is acceptable.
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Reply #1 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:44pm
 
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The unpleasant reality is several universities across Australia have been forced to upgrade security to protect scientists. This has ranged from deleting phone numbers from websites and removing names from faculty notice boards, to installing multiple card-swipe entries, office doors protected by punch-in codes, and moving researchers to areas with secure lifts.

The Australian National University's former Vice-Chancellor Professor Ian Chubb confirmed the university moved several researchers to secure buildings after threats to their personal safety. Did these threats occur, as claimed by Herald Sun blogger Andrew Bolt ''five or six years ago''? No. An email from the ANU media office confirms, ''the university took the decision last year''.

Have the threats abated? Not according to the majority of scientists we contacted. Two weeks ago, when ANU economist Professor Ross Garnaut published the final report in his climate update, many scientists said their computers and mobile phones were flooded with spam emails and texts, many abusive or defamatory.

And that's how we came across the story. There was no ''exquisitely timed'' release of information as claimed by one climate sceptic's blog. There was no conspiracy, rather it was just a chance catch-up call that yielded an unexpected result. We rang a contact (an ecologist) on his landline as he was furiously - in both senses of the word - deleting spam from his mobile.

All political parties should condemn these attacks on our scientists. And to his credit - and despite his dissenting views on climate change - Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce did so, saying no one deserved such tactics. Dissent should not exclude reason or respect.


Rosslyn Beeby is science and environment reporter.
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Reply #2 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:51pm
 
Grin Grin Grin


WELL WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ASTRO SURF  GIVEN THAT PEOPLE THESE DAYS ARE FACING SUCH ISSUES AS THE RISE OF THE COST OF LIVING, THROUGH PRICE RISES IN GROCERIES, FUEL, ELECTRICITY BILLS


AND ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE A LYING GOVERNMENT THAT WANTS TO IMPOSE MORE POTENTIAL FINANCIAL DIFICULTIES THROUGH A CARBON TAX ????



WHAT DID YOU EXPECT, ARE THE LEFT THAT IGNORANT ????  Grin Grin
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Reply #3 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:55pm
 
As long as JuLIAR Gilliard continues to push the carbon tax forward, it will get more HEATED,


THE POWER OF HER LIE IS WHAT GETTING ALOT OF AUSTRALIANS HEATED UP.
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stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:51pm:
Grin Grin Grin


[font=Tahoma][size=20]EOPLE THESE DAYS ARE FACING SUCH ISSUES AS THE RISE OF THE COST OF LIVING, THROUGH PRICE RISES IN GROCERIES, FUEL, ELECTRICITY BILLS


You condone threats and intimidation against people you disagree with. Thanks for amply proving the point of the article. You're a disgrace. People like you have no place in Australian democracy.
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You condone threats and intimidation against people you disagree with. Thanks for amply proving the point of the article. You're a disgrace. People like you have no place in Australian democracy.


YOU LEFTIES DO IT AS WELL AMONG OTHER ISSUES


What hypocrisy,  Grin Grin
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stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
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You condone threats and intimidation against people you disagree with. Thanks for amply proving the point of the article. You're a disgrace. People like you have no place in Australian democracy.


YOU LEFTIES DO IT AS WELL AMONG ISSUES



NO I DON'T, YOU LIAR, I AM NOT "THE LEFT", I HAVE NMEVER CONDONED VIOLENT LANGUAGE IN POLITICS. WHEN SOMEONE FINALLY DOES GET HURT YOUR ACOLYTES ;LIKE JONES, BOLT, ABBOTT AND MIRABELLA WILL ONLY HAVE THEMSLEVES TO BLAME.

WHEREAS IDIOTS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONES LIKELY TO HURT SOMEONE. WE SHOULD DEPORT PEOPLE LIKE YOU. YOU HAVE NO PLACE IN THIS DEMOCRACY.

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Reply #7 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 1:06pm
 
AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, WHEN WE HAVE A LYING GOVERNMENT WHO LISTENS TO SCIENTISTS WHO ARE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED ENOUGH TO THERE TAXATION CAUSE, TO SUGGEST THIS FAULTY SCIENCE BEHIND CLIMATE CHANGE.
over the wishes of the australian people, prepare for what you deserve.



The arrogance of the lefties is soooo silly, ASTRO SURF YOU ARE PROVING THAT ALL THE TIME, AS WELL AS BEING A FLAWED THINKING PERSON.
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NO I DON'T, YOU LIAR, I AM NOT "THE LEFT", I HAVE NMEVER CONDONED VIOLENT LANGUAGE IN POLITICS
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IM NOT IMPLYING YOU PERSONALLY ASTRO SURF, BUT OTHER LEFTIES DO RESORT TO EXTREMISM AS WELL AS PEOPLE FROM THE RIGHT
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stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 1:06pm:
prepare for what you deserve


Yes, you're a disgrace, you have already demonstrated that you are happy to cheer on threats of violence and intimidation. You're a coward. You are not an Australian, you should be shipped off to Malaysia or Nauru or something
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stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
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NO I DON'T, YOU LIAR, I AM NOT "THE LEFT", I HAVE NMEVER CONDONED VIOLENT LANGUAGE IN POLITICS
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IM NOT IMPLYING YOU PERSONALLY ASTRO SURF, BUT OTHER LEFTIES DO RESORT TO EXTREMISM AS WELL AS PEOPLE FROM THE RIGHT


You are implying that it is a-OK to threaten and intimidate people with whom you disagree. There is no room for people like you in Australian politics

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astro_surf wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 1:12pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
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NO I DON'T, YOU LIAR, I AM NOT "THE LEFT", I HAVE NMEVER CONDONED VIOLENT LANGUAGE IN POLITICS
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IM NOT IMPLYING YOU PERSONALLY ASTRO SURF, BUT OTHER LEFTIES DO RESORT TO EXTREMISM AS WELL AS PEOPLE FROM THE RIGHT


You are implying that it is a-OK to threaten and intimidate people with whom you disagree. There is no room for people like you in Australian politics


You are not an Australian, you should be shipped off to Malaysia or Nauru or something   IS that a threat    Wink
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Reply #12 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 1:18pm
 
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WHEREAS IDIOTS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONES LIKELY TO HURT SOMEONE. WE SHOULD DEPORT PEOPLE LIKE YOU. YOU HAVE NO PLACE IN THIS DEMOCRACY.


Grin Grin Grin Grin

I cannot believe how much of a TWIT you are until this moment ASTRO SURF when I read this.



TAKE A CHILL PILL ASTRO SURF BECAUSE YOU ARE EMMITTING TOO MUCH CARBON CRAP HERE



First Im not suggesting that I support extremist behaviour in any shape or form, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE ANGER AGAINST JULIAR GILLIARD WHO LIED OVER THE CARBON TAX, AND THE THREAT OF IT IMPOSED GIVEN THAT RISING COST OF LIVING IS A BIG ISSUE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT



I UNDERSTAND THE ANGER, BUT I DONT SUPPORT DANGEROUS EXTREMIST VOLIENCE,

COMPREDENDO, UNDERSTAND ????
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Reply #13 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 1:23pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 12:51pm:
Grin Grin Grin


WELL WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ASTRO SURF  GIVEN THAT PEOPLE THESE DAYS ARE FACING SUCH ISSUES AS THE RISE OF THE COST OF LIVING, THROUGH PRICE RISES IN GROCERIES, FUEL, ELECTRICITY BILLS


AND ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE A LYING GOVERNMENT THAT WANTS TO IMPOSE MORE POTENTIAL FINANCIAL DIFICULTIES THROUGH A CARBON TAX ????



WHAT DID YOU EXPECT, ARE THE LEFT THAT IGNORANT ????  Grin Grin


Right..so it's okay to poo on someone's car because you're facing cost of living pressure?  You really are an idiot stryder. Really, really, are a complete baffoon.
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Reply #14 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 1:33pm
 
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Right..so it's okay to poo on someone's car because you're facing cost of living pressure?  You really are an idiot stryder. Really, really, are a complete baffoon.
By Alevine

IS IT OK TO MAKE DEATH THREATS AGAINST PETER RIETH BECAUSE OF HIS POSITION IN THE WATERFRONT DISPUTE ???



IS IT OK TO MAKE DEATH THREATS AGAINST PHILLIP RUDDOCK OVER HIS POSITION ON THE BOAT PEOPLE ISSUE IN THAT TIME ????



YOU TELL ME ALEVINE HOW MANY LEFTIES HAD A DISPUTE WITH THAT ????????
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