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Re: Abbott on the spot after Nazi gibe
Reply #75 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:22am
 
So much for "Realclimate.org"....


"It's almost a left wing harmonic convergence on global warming fraud. Chris Horner writing for Big Government reveals that the principle warmist blogsite, Real Climate, is a Fenton operation. Fenton Communications is the left wing PR operation that promoted the Alar scare and other bogus health scares,  and are the poeple who created the infamous "General Betray Us" ad attacking Gneeral Petraeus. Horner writes:


It turns out that Realclimate.org is owned by an outfit that is in essence a non-profit public relations firm called Environmental Media Services (EMS), "dedicated to expanding media coverage of critical environmental and public health issues", whose Pittsburgh office houses the RealClimate server. ActivistCash.com describes EMS as "the communications arm of leftist public relations firm Fenton Communications."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/the_warmist_pr_con_job.html
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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

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Re: Abbott on the spot after Nazi gibe
Reply #76 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:39am
 
could you explain how that, if true, would discredit the information on that particular website to the extent that one would declare that, gizmo?
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Re: Abbott on the spot after Nazi gibe
Reply #77 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:41am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:22am:
So much for "Realclimate.org"....


Well, that's one way of avoiding any arguments of substance, I guess, too bad bad you've been had once again:

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The contributors to this site do so in a personal capacity during their spare time and their posts do not represent the views of the organizations for which they work, nor the agencies which fund them. The contributors are solely responsible for the content of the site and receive no remuneration for their contributions.

RealClimate is not affiliated with any environmental organisations. Although our domain is hosted by Science Communications Network (and previously Environmental Media Services), and our initial press release was organised for us by Fenton Communications, neither organization was in any way involved in the initial planning for RealClimate, and have never had any editorial or other control over content. Neither Fenton nor SCN nor EMS has ever paid any contributor to RealClimate.org any money for any purpose at any time. Neither do they pay us expenses, buy our lunch or contract us to do research. This information has always been made clear to anyone who asked.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #78 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:45am
 
do you live on this forum astro surf?
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Re: Abbott on the spot after Nazi gibe
Reply #79 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:56am
 
Flying Binghi wrote on Jun 24th, 2011 at 9:18pm:
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What's that saying about lies, damned lies and statistics?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Has-sea-level-rise-accelerated-since-1880.html

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A paper by Houston & Dean studies 57 tide gauge records from the U.S. (including Hawaii and oceanic territories) and concludes that sea level rise has not accelerated. In fact the authors seem to go out of their way to state that the average result shows deceleration at every opportunity. But there are some big questions about their analysis. Why do they use tide gauge records from just U.S. stations? Why not a global sample? Why use individual tide gauge records when we have perfectly good combinations, from much larger samples, which give a global picture of sea level change and show vastly less noise? Why do they restrict their analysis to either the time span of the individual tide gauge records, or to the period from 1930 to 2009? Why do they repeatedly drone on about “deceleration” when the average of the acceleration rates they measure, even for their extremely limited and restricted sample, isn’t statistically significant?

But the biggest question of all is: what’s the big deal?

(...)

And now to the really important part, which is not the math but the physics. Whether sea level showed 20th-century acceleration or not, it’s the century coming up which is of concern. And during this century, we expect acceleration of sea level rise because of physics. Not only will there likely be nonlinear response to thermal expansion of the oceans, when the ice sheets become major contributors to sea level rise, they will dominate the equation. Their impact could be tremendous, it could be sudden, and it could be horrible.

The relatively modest acceleration in sea level so far is not a cause for great concern, but neither is it cause for comfort. The fact is that statistics simply doesn’t enable us to foresee the future beyond a very brief window of time.  Even given the observed acceleration, the forecasts we should attend to are not from statistics but from physics.



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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
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Re: Abbott on the spot after Nazi gibe
Reply #80 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:58am
 
Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:45am:
do you live on this forum astro surf?


It's the weekend, it's cold, I'm single; so, no, I don't have anything better to do with my time atm Grin
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Re: Abbott on the spot after Nazi gibe
Reply #81 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 4:37pm
 

Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:39am:
could you explain how that, if true, would discredit the information on that particular website to the extent that one would declare that, gizmo?



The idea is fairly straight forward Cliff..Fenton Communications is a PR firm that specialises in environmental causes and owns EMS (Evironmental Media Services), so it's in effect a lobby group...the RealClimate site was set up to post pro AGW information...

Like the groups that are accused of being in the pay of "Big Oil' and "Big Tobacco"....Groups like the Lavoisier Group and the Science and Public Policy Institute are two that are most commonly mentioned....

It's exceptionally naive to think that only one side of a debate or political battle uses special interest lobby groups....don't you think??

And since it will almost certainly be mentioned...
During the tobacco hearings and court caes, there were just as many (if not more) anti-tobacco lobbyists as there were pro-tobacco ones..

To sway the people, you have to reach them..
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Re: Abbott on the spot after Nazi gibe
Reply #82 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 6:55pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 25th, 2011 at 4:37pm:
Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:39am:
could you explain how that, if true, would discredit the information on that particular website to the extent that one would declare that, gizmo?



The idea is fairly straight forward Cliff..Fenton Communications is a PR firm that specialises in environmental causes and owns EMS (Evironmental Media Services), so it's in effect a lobby group...the RealClimate site was set up to post pro AGW information...

Like the groups that are accused of being in the pay of "Big Oil' and "Big Tobacco"....Groups like the Lavoisier Group and the Science and Public Policy Institute are two that are most commonly mentioned....

It's exceptionally naive to think that only one side of a debate or political battle uses special interest lobby groups....don't you think??

And since it will almost certainly be mentioned...
During the tobacco hearings and court caes, there were just as many (if not more) anti-tobacco lobbyists as there were pro-tobacco ones..

To sway the people, you have to reach them..


They us their domain. That's all. Did you not read the disclaimer from their website?
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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