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Reply #120 - Aug 7th, 2011 at 4:25pm
 
Lestat wrote on Jul 19th, 2011 at 9:58am:
You see Freediver, you are so blind in your ignorance, that you cannot see Islam and Shariah law plays the exact same role as common law.


The rules governing Apostasy in Islam are derived from the Hadiths and not Sharia. The Qur'an itself has no earthly punishment for apostasy against Islamic faith. This is why the penalties are so varied from the death penalty to no action at all.
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Reply #121 - Aug 8th, 2011 at 9:16am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2011 at 3:06pm:
Les? Do you still think I was misquoting Abu on apostasy?


Yes Freediver, and you know you are. I'll ask again, why don't you post a link to the thread you posted...or are you afraid everyone will see you for the liar you are.

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Re: In defence of Islam
Reply #122 - Aug 8th, 2011 at 9:17am
 
Sappho wrote on Aug 7th, 2011 at 4:25pm:
Lestat wrote on Jul 19th, 2011 at 9:58am:
You see Freediver, you are so blind in your ignorance, that you cannot see Islam and Shariah law plays the exact same role as common law.


The rules governing Apostasy in Islam are derived from the Hadiths and not Sharia. The Qur'an itself has no earthly punishment for apostasy against Islamic faith. This is why the penalties are so varied from the death penalty to no action at all.


Sharia law is mostly derived from the Hadiths...so I'm not sure what your point is.
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Reply #123 - Aug 9th, 2011 at 4:03pm
 
Lestat wrote on Aug 8th, 2011 at 9:16am:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2011 at 3:06pm:
Les? Do you still think I was misquoting Abu on apostasy?


Yes Freediver, and you know you are. I'll ask again, why don't you post a link to the thread you posted...or are you afraid everyone will see you for the liar you are.



Like I already said, I posted the link with the quote. I did not alter the quote in any way and I do not believe it misrepresents his views in any way. Why are you being so slow on this?
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Reply #124 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 9:46am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2011 at 4:03pm:
Lestat wrote on Aug 8th, 2011 at 9:16am:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2011 at 3:06pm:
Les? Do you still think I was misquoting Abu on apostasy?


Yes Freediver, and you know you are. I'll ask again, why don't you post a link to the thread you posted...or are you afraid everyone will see you for the liar you are.



Like I already said, I posted the link with the quote. I did not alter the quote in any way and I do not believe it misrepresents his views in any way. Why are you being so slow on this?


Slow? Why are you such a liar. Like do you not have any shame?

You did not provide a link to the thread, despite me asking you to do so twice now.

And now you claim that you did provide a link...even though anyone can quite easily take a look at the page before this one and see that you did not.

This, plus the fact that the debate has never been about the punishment of apostasy, but in fact the question of what apostasy laws relate to, just once again shows what kind of a moron you really are.

But you already know that don't you Freediver....you can do no more then resort to taking abu out of context, and then use it to make a point...when ironically it has very little to do with what we were arguing about in the first place.

Or perhaps you can tell me what exactly is Abu's out of context quote got to do with me telling you (and providing evidence) that the apostasy laws in Islam, and its punishment relates to 'treason'.

'Treason'...do you get it, or do you need me to dumb it down for you further.

Sheesh, your ignorance can sometimes be so fustrating to deal with. Why do you just wear people down with your stupidity? Is this all you can rely upon?
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Reply #125 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 11:09am
 
Lestat wrote on Aug 10th, 2011 at 9:46am:

......This, plus the fact that the debate has never been about the punishment of apostasy, but in fact the question of what apostasy laws relate to,
just once again shows what kind of a moron you really are.

But you already know that don't you Freediver....you can do no more then resort to taking abu out of context, and then use it to make a point...when ironically it has very little to do with what we were arguing about in the first place.

Or perhaps you can tell me what exactly is Abu's out of context quote got to do with me telling you (and providing evidence) that the apostasy laws in Islam, and its punishment relates to 'treason'.

'Treason'...do you get it, or do you need me to dumb it down for you further.


Sheesh, your ignorance can sometimes be so fustrating to deal with. Why do you just wear people down with your stupidity? Is this all you can rely upon?





Lestat,

What you are getting at [i.e. 'what apostasy laws relate to'], is that [within a Sharia jurisdiction] criticism of ISLAM was always intended to be a capital offence.

Yes ?




"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."

Koran 33.60,61


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Re: In defence of Islam
Reply #126 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 5:45pm
 
OK Les. Here is the link again. I will make it bold and colourful so that you may see it this time.



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And now you claim that you did provide a link...even though anyone can quite easily take a look at the page before this one and see that you did not.


You cannot actually see the absence of something. However the link is there. You should try looking for yourself.

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This, plus the fact that the debate has never been about the punishment of apostasy


And yet that is what we are arguing about, is it not?
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