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If I don't have personal knowledge of the circumstances how can I have any conviction in whether such as sentence should be carried out. You seem to have this idea that muslims stone children to death if there's nothing better on TV.

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An act of adultery requires 2 people, whether 1 or both are married is irrelevant.
It is the act that defines the crime

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No, you've given a vague description which you've redefined to your loaded questions.
You've not given me the location of this 'event' or much else.

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How old is this 'child bride'?
5?, 10?, 15?....what?
Did she make this choice of her own free will? Was she sold or otherwise coerced into it? Was it part of repaying a debt? Was the family under the threat of death by others if they didn't arrange this?
These are all factors in any court case

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OK we'll say that the trial was fair, the appeal process has been exhausted and the community approves

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As long as all the other parties involved in this adultery are standing next to her when the stones are thrown, then as unpalatable as the execution(s) would be....then yes

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I wouldn't trust you to write your own name, let alone know it

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Maybe I could write up a list of loaded questions for you with emotional language?

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It was a simple yes or no question (was it too simple for you to comprehend?)

Even Mr cut'n paste gets the idea of a scenario...

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If they're kumbayah singing, progressive whites or just jigaboos it doesn't really matter, it's a win-win situation for everyone
Hang'em high

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Care to give an example of this?

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Did I say that?
Can you quote me saying that punishments should be more brutal or that islamic law should be brutal?

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No you just want to derail this thread.
How about I answer everything with 'That would just be silly'?

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Care to show where in the Koran it does?
There have been plenty of european and other non-islamic empires that didn't have the vote as well.

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BS! You implied that I called for laws to be harsher and for punishments to be more brutal in execution than your 'hypothetical'. I did nothing of the sort

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That isn't an opinion or even a yes or no answer. It's just a fob off to avoid answering a question.
You are one absolute lying sack of sh!t

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You made the claim, so you back it up

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If they are both guilty, then both should be punished

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That would just be silly

Stop p!ssing my time away

leon_the_14 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2011 at 8:24pm:











...whereas, Sharia law is just, and is not 'interpreted' into unjust law by moslems ???

If not so, where is the example, in the world, where Sharia is applied justly ???




Google;




Wherever ISLAM perchance, comes into authority in a land, ISLAM believes that nobody within that jurisdiction should ever again, be allowed to scrutinise or criticise ISLAM.
....on pain of death.


Koran 33.60,61

Q.
Why so ???

A.
All good moslems consider ISLAM, to be Allah's [already] perfect religion.

Ergo, the moslem 'logic' which is applied;






From childhood every moslem is taught to agree unquestioningly with ISLAM's laws and authority, as expressed and interpreted by the imam's.

Again, ISLAM is regarded by ALL moslems as Allah's [already] perfect religion.

And, if ISLAM is Allah's already perfect religion, there can be no need for scrutiny or criticism of ISLAM's 'form'.



What is required from moslems, is that they work, 'struggle' [i.e. Jihad], to impose ISLAM/Sharia, upon all of 'unbelieving' mankind.

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:..."
Koran 9.111


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Typically those moslems who do want to reform ISLAM, are always accused of the crime of wanting 'innovation',
...i.e. of wanting to change ISLAM.

'Innovation', being the 'guilty' 'code word' used within ISLAM, to accuse and smear, those would reform ISLAM.

From time to time it is observed that some moslems do become critical of some aspect of ISLAM or its laws.

But when the views of a 'reformer' or critic, become widely known within a moslem community, typically such people are assassinated ['lawfully' murdered], by another member of the moslem community.

This follows the example of such punishments, which were instigated by Mohammed;

e.g.
On several occasions within ISLAM's 'religious' texts, it recorded how Mohammad 'enlisted' a fellow moslem, to perform an ISLAMIC 'religious' duty....
.....the murder of a critic of ISLAM.

In the following Hadith, is described, how Mohammad himself [the founder and inventor of ISLAM] secures the political assassination of an enemy of Allah, the powerless God.....




http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

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I ask, how can a man, hurt God ????




Within every Sharia jurisdiction, expressing 'kufur' is a crime, [which unless recanted is] punishable by death.

Google;


Within the lawful segment of the ummah, very instance of criticism and scrutiny of ISLAM, is looked upon as kufur [an expression of unbelief] - and as an 'insult' to Allah's religion.  [whether from moslems, or non-moslems]

[In the following Koran verse, the term, 'Hypocrites', refers to 'backsliding' moslems]...

"Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-"
Koran 4.88, 89

leon_the_14 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2011 at 8:24pm:



leon,

I consider you to be a duplicitous and less than candid person.



Why do moslems, whenever they are speaking to, and addressing a non-moslem audience, always choose to imply a denial of what their religion really promotes ?

Are moslems so fearful, to reveal what their religion promotes, that they have to conceal it from themselves [their own community], and 'unbelievers' too ???

Do moslems feel that to openly promote, what their religion truly promotes, would be intellectually, indefensible ???
....an so, moslems choose to always misrepresent ISLAM to non-moslems ?



Koran 2.256





Whereas when moslems are addressing moslems.........

e.g.

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http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...


Google;


Google;

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2011 at 11:05pm:


Abu, can you answer leon's question - does Islam allow for democracy?

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Yes it would be silly - just as silly as you asking me for an example of Islam opposing democracy.