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SYDNEY (AFP) - One of the most senior policemen in Australia on Sunday said authorities must have clear legal powers to require people to remove face coverings, including veils, if they are do their job properly.

The comments by New South Wales state Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione follow the case of Carnita Matthews, who in November 2010 was sentenced to six months jail for falsely accusing police of forcibly trying to remove her burqa.

It followed the woman being pulled over for a traffic offence.

Her sentence was quashed last month when a magistrate said he could not be 100 percent sure it was Matthews who made the complaint because officers were not able to see the face of the accuser.

Scipione told the Sydney Sunday Telegraph there must be one law for everyone -- regardless of their race or religion.

"This is not about disrespect; this has got nothing to do with religion," he said.

"It wouldn't matter whether it was a full-face motorcycle helmet or a balaclava at the snowfield: People have to do what they're required to (by police).

"Whether you're wearing a veil, whether you're wearing a full-face motorcycle helmet, a ski balaclava in the snowfields -- if there is a lawful reason, if there is a need for police to actually identify the person, then this should not be in the grey.

"It should be something everyone clearly understands."

Scipione said he had held talks with senior politicians who had indicated that if there was a loophole, then they would work to close it.

"This is not something we can just allow to continue," he said, adding that frontline police officers had to be protected from vindictive complaints, which could ruin careers.
"I get absolutely filthy when people want to make complaints that are clearly false," he said. "If you do that, and I catch you, we will charge you."

Looks like someone has some misconceptions here...

Whilst some Muslims might come here from other countries, many of us do not, we were born here, our parents were born here, their parents were born here... the idea that we "want to live in *your* country" is just ridiculous. This is my country, and it's dipsticks like yourself that are making things uncohesive, by trying to single out Islam and Muslims. According to your small minded little view of the situation, a Russian Christian immigrant to this country who's been here 6 months, is more of an Australian than a Muslim like myself who's family has been here about 200 years. You're a joke, and a poor one at that. Wake up to yourself.

The thing people like you don't like about Muslim immigrants is that they're not like "wogs", "dagos" and "gooks" who came before them, who just back down and let you treat them like dirt because they happen to be new here.... they actually stand up for themselves and demand respect. That's what you don't like isn't it? You prefer nice passive, acquiescent incomers, who you can push around...

Wrong abu

It's a multi-cultural country and there is a common law for everyone in it

Whether you came here or you were born here the rules apply

As such you should not be allowed to use your own religious doctrines to be exempt from law of the land

As such you should just shut up and accept that it's the law of the land and you respect that everyone is subject to it

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2011 at 10:59pm:


Absolutely correct. This person, by and large, adheres to the values that made this country what it is. He will not demand special treament for his religion and will adapt to his new homeland, its laws and customs. It is the muslim inablity to compromise on anything they percieve as contradicting their religion that causes all the problems. And its not just Australia is it? Every western country has the same problem. If your religious beliefs are more important than your adherence to secular law and custom then surely you would be more comfortable in one of the middle eastern countrys that panders to your tastes?

“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful”

[al-Noor 24:31]





Written in a time when women were robbed and/or raped without a second thought

As such the verse is aptly applicable to protect women

But in the modern Australian society I can't see how it's applicable

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2011 at 10:59pm:


Go Abu go! Let's put these Aussies in their place. They WILL bow down to Islam. Sure it will take some time but when it happens the Aussies will be held to account.

Yadda wrote on Jul 5^th, 2011 at 11:51am:


Exactly Yadda. You have quoted big AL correctly. You Aussies are heading for a pratfall and I wanna be around to kick the shyte out of you (Halla willing of course).

Yadda wrote on Jul 5^th, 2011 at 11:51am: