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Reply #15 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 9:06am

adelcrow wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 7:37am:

There are no industries apart from coal and there is no future growth for alternative energy ...just ask Abbott coz he reckons Aussies are only good for digging up dirt and exporting it to the Communists Grin

Don't let your bias get in the way of the truth.

Destination Region/Country Metallurgical Coal Thermal Coal Total Coal Share %
Volume - million tonnes
Asia
Japan 43.3 61.5 104.8 39.8
Korea (Rep of) 15.1 27.9 43.1 16.3
Taiwan 6.1 20.0 26.1 9.9
China 15.5 9.5 25.0 9.5
India 23.8 0.9 24.7 9.4
Thailand 0 3.5 3.5 1.3
Malaysia 0 2.7 2.7 1.0
Turkey 1.7 0.3 2.1 0.8
Other Asia 0.9 0.6 1.5 0.6
Total Asia 106.6 126.9 233.5 88.6
Europe
Netherlands 3.6 0.6 4.2 1.6
United Kingdom 3.9 0.1 3.9 1.5
France 2.3 1.1 3.4 1.3
Italy 2.2 0 2.2 0.8
Spain 1.7 0.2 1.9 0.7
Belgium/Luxembourg 1.7 0.1 1.8 0.7
Germany 1.4 0.1 1.6 0.6
Sweden 1.0 0.1 1.0 0.4
Other Europe 0.9 0.0 0.9 0.3
Total Europe^ 18.6 2.2 20.9 7

As you can see Japan , Korea and Taiwan are ahead of China. India is just behind.

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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: '...the Political Judo Chop...' (Keating is back!) Reply #16 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 10:23am I remember Mr Banana Republic 17% Interest Rates Keating well, and all the wailing of young families throughout the country who lost their homes and were turfed out. Yes, I remember him. We threw that bum out too. I thought he would have dried up and blown away in the wind by now.
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Reply #17 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:11am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

I remember Mr Banana Republic 17% Interest Rates Keating well, and all the wailing of young families throughout the country who lost their homes and were turfed out.
Yes, I remember him.
We threw that bum out too.
I thought he would have dried up and blown away in the wind by now.

especially after being defeated by the second biggest margin in history - 46 seats.

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Reply #18 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:16am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:11am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

I remember Mr Banana Republic 17% Interest Rates Keating well, and all the wailing of young families throughout the country who lost their homes and were turfed out.
Yes, I remember him.
We threw that bum out too.
I thought he would have dried up and blown away in the wind by now.

especially after being defeated by the second biggest margin in history - 46 seats.

What was the biggest margin of defeat?

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Reply #19 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:20am

lisa.greek wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:16am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:11am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

I remember Mr Banana Republic 17% Interest Rates Keating well, and all the wailing of young families throughout the country who lost their homes and were turfed out.
Yes, I remember him.
We threw that bum out too.
I thought he would have dried up and blown away in the wind by now.

especially after being defeated by the second biggest margin in history - 46 seats.

What was the biggest margin of defeat?

Whitlam in 1975 followed by 1977 which was only a few seats less. so technically keatings defeat was the THIRD biggest margin. hardly comforting since it was 46 seats in a real landslide.

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Reply #20 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:25am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:11am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

I remember Mr Banana Republic 17% Interest Rates Keating well, and all the wailing of young families throughout the country who lost their homes and were turfed out.
Yes, I remember him.
We threw that bum out too.
I thought he would have dried up and blown away in the wind by now.

especially after being defeated by the second biggest margin in history - 46 seats.

Does e still have his PIG FARM OR IT JUST HIM BEING HIS NORMAL DIS GRUNTING SELF Grin

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Reply #21 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:29am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:20am:

lisa.greek wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:16am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:11am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

I remember Mr Banana Republic 17% Interest Rates Keating well, and all the wailing of young families throughout the country who lost their homes and were turfed out.
Yes, I remember him.
We threw that bum out too.
I thought he would have dried up and blown away in the wind by now.

especially after being defeated by the second biggest margin in history - 46 seats.

What was the biggest margin of defeat?

Whitlam in 1975 followed by 1977 which was only a few seats less. so technically keatings defeat was the THIRD biggest margin. hardly comforting since it was 46 seats in a real landslide.

Thanks - I knew whitlam went out with a bang (I was around 25 then and couldn't care less - my military salary was being held back was my only concern at the time!)

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Reply #22 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:32am

FRED. wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:11am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

I remember Mr Banana Republic 17% Interest Rates Keating well, and all the wailing of young families throughout the country who lost their homes and were turfed out.
Yes, I remember him.
We threw that bum out too.
I thought he would have dried up and blown away in the wind by now.

especially after being defeated by the second biggest margin in history - 46 seats.

Does e still have his PIG FARM OR IT JUST HIM BEING HIS NORMAL DIS GRUNTING SELF Grin

I think he sold that - but Stan Howard still runs a sweat shop nearby

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Reply #23 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:35am

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 8:17am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 8:05am:

Abbott wants us to contribute to the growth and wealth of the monolithic communist dictatorship to our north by digging up our natural resources and selling it all for a song.

Even Maggie Thatcher had the good sense to point to climate change when she closed all those coal mines in the UK

Your ignorance is boundless.

Our coal sells for hunfreds of dollars per tonne at a great profit to us )several $ billion in export earning / yr) , so good accusation' but wrong.

Thatcher closed the UK coal mines in the 70s 80's so who exactly was spouting global warming during those decades, not even brown the clown was crapping on back then. And I do believe they didn't need so much thermal coal since they went nuclear.

Try to have some level of accuracy when you post, otherwise you'll look like a bit of a tool. Grin

I heard the other day it cost about $40 p/tonne to rip out of the ground.
It's does sell for hundreds p/tonne but seeing just about all is owned and run by multi nationals I'd be very interested just how much stays here.

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Reply #24 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:49am

As for the rest of you ingrates here bitching about Keating, it's just proves what idiots you really are, who broke the unions, it wasn't a Liberal it was keating (wages accord), who allowed you to afford something other than a sh!tty holden, it wasn't a liberal it was Keating(abolishion of tarrifs), you guys have and still reap the rewards of Keating economic vision and his fortitude to see those reforms thru even though he knew most of you inbreds don't look further than the next(or even have money between) paycheck.
Could you imagine anyone other than Keating pushing ahead with the medicine our economy needed, do you even think what our nation would be like without those reforms? No it's me me me and thats why we have Abbott as opposition leader you selfish fvcks, oh and seeing the Carbon tax is going to destroy the economy what about Abbott's 1.5% tax on ANY company who earns over 5 million a year?
That will effect my small business why the bugger should I pay for some women to take it easy for 12 months with her kid when the only 2 women I employ are past child bearing age?

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Reply #25 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:58am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:49am:

As for the rest of you ingrates here bitching about Keating, it's just proves what idiots you really are, who broke the unions, it wasn't a Liberal it was keating (wages accord), who allowed you to afford something other than a sh!tty holden, it wasn't a liberal it was Keating(abolishion of tarrifs), you guys have and still reap the rewards of Keating economic vision and his fortitude to see those reforms thru even though he knew most of you inbreds don't look further than the next(or even have money between) paycheck.
Could you imagine anyone other than Keating pushing ahead with the medicine our economy needed, do you even think what our nation would be like without those reforms? No it's me me me and thats why we have Abbott as opposition leader you selfish fvcks, oh and seeing the Carbon tax is going to destroy the economy what about Abbott's 1.5% tax on ANY company who earns over 5 million a year?
That will effect my small business why the bugger should I pay for some women to take it easy for 12 months with her kid when the only 2 women I employ are past child bearing age?

Oh smithy, let it go.
Are you still cut up about you being the only person in the country to tick the box for Keating in that election?
Let it go dude. Cry

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Reply #26 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 12:01pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 8:17am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 8:05am:

Abbott wants us to contribute to the growth and wealth of the monolithic communist dictatorship to our north by digging up our natural resources and selling it all for a song.

Even Maggie Thatcher had the good sense to point to climate change when she closed all those coal mines in the UK

Your ignorance is boundless.

Our coal sells for hunfreds of dollars per tonne at a great profit to us )several $ billion in export earning / yr) , so good accusation' but wrong.

Thatcher closed the UK coal mines in the 70s 80's so who exactly was spouting global warming during those decades, not even brown the clown was crapping on back then. And I do believe they didn't need so much thermal coal since they went nuclear.

Try to have some level of accuracy when you post, otherwise you'll look like a bit of a tool. Grin

I heard the other day it cost about $40 p/tonne to rip out of the ground.
It's does sell for hundreds p/tonne but seeing just about all is owned and run by multi nationals I'd be very interested just how much stays here.

It hasn't cost $40 / tonne to mine coal for a decade or 2; depending on the mine it costs somewhere between $100 to $200, they get $300 to $400 for the stuff.

Considering it costs around $1Bil to start a mine and mining wages are excellent 8) , add in top of that company taxes, royalties and other operating costs (fuel maintenance etc); not as much goes overseas in pure profit as you have been told.

BTW there is nothing wrong with a multi national lik BHP making a profit while they're contributing to the wealth of THIS country, is there?

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Reply #27 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 5:12pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:49am:

As for the rest of you ingrates here bitching about Keating, it's just proves what idiots you really are, who broke the unions, it wasn't a Liberal it was keating (wages accord), who allowed you to afford something other than a sh!tty holden, it wasn't a liberal it was Keating(abolishion of tarrifs), you guys have and still reap the rewards of Keating economic vision and his fortitude to see those reforms thru even though he knew most of you inbreds don't look further than the next(or even have money between) paycheck.
Could you imagine anyone other than Keating pushing ahead with the medicine our economy needed, do you even think what our nation would be like without those reforms? No it's me me me and thats why we have Abbott as opposition leader you selfish fvcks, oh and seeing the Carbon tax is going to destroy the economy what about Abbott's 1.5% tax on ANY company who earns over 5 million a year?
That will effect my small business why the bugger should I pay for some women to take it easy for 12 months with her kid when the only 2 women I employ are past child bearing age?

Most of Keatings reforms were What Howard proposed but got booted out before he had a chance. and the reforms since then have continued. Tariff reduction started BEFORE hawke/keating and continued after. Im not saying they werent reformists but it neither started nor finished with them.

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Reply #28 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 5:17pm

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Most of Keatings reforms were What Howard proposed but got booted out before he had a chance. and the reforms since then have continued. Tariff reduction started BEFORE hawke/keating and continued after. Im not saying they werent reformists but it neither started nor finished with them.

Ive been stating that case for such a long time before on the yahoo boards.

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Reply #29 - Jul 15^th, 2011 at 6:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 5:12pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2011 at 11:49am:

As for the rest of you ingrates here bitching about Keating, it's just proves what idiots you really are, who broke the unions, it wasn't a Liberal it was keating (wages accord), who allowed you to afford something other than a sh!tty holden, it wasn't a liberal it was Keating(abolishion of tarrifs), you guys have and still reap the rewards of Keating economic vision and his fortitude to see those reforms thru even though he knew most of you inbreds don't look further than the next(or even have money between) paycheck.
Could you imagine anyone other than Keating pushing ahead with the medicine our economy needed, do you even think what our nation would be like without those reforms? No it's me me me and thats why we have Abbott as opposition leader you selfish fvcks, oh and seeing the Carbon tax is going to destroy the economy what about Abbott's 1.5% tax on ANY company who earns over 5 million a year?
That will effect my small business why the bugger should I pay for some women to take it easy for 12 months with her kid when the only 2 women I employ are past child bearing age?

Most of Keatings reforms were What Howard proposed but got booted out before he had a chance. and the reforms since then have continued. Tariff reduction started BEFORE hawke/keating and continued after. Im not saying they werent reformists but it neither started nor finished with them.

Yes we've been over this ground many times.
You seem to think Howard would have pushed them thru no matter the personal or political cost, I do not.
Thankyou Howard for starting the enquiry
Thank you Howard & Keating for implmenting the recommendations.

Any comments on Tony's tax on most business's?

And the MASSIVE question that remains unasked, if we had such strong, forward thinking and confident leaders not that long ago, WTF happened

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