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Alcopops tax achieves its objective
Jul 18^th, 2011 at 7:44am

ALCOPOP sales dropped a third in a year and the number of teen drinkers fell 27 per cent in three after the alcopop tax was introduced.
A study of the effects of the three-year-old tax by the Alcohol Advisory Group, the National Drug Research Council and academics has found

teenagers are drinking less as a result.

They have used the findings to renew calls for the Federal Government to set a minimum price for all alcoholic drinks.

They say teenagers are not the only ones indulging in excess drinking.

"If a pricing strategy is to be used to reduce the hazardous consumption and harm ... a comprehensive approach is preferable," the groups said in in the Medical Journal of Australia.

"This should include a comprehensive graduated volumetric taxation system ... Setting a minimum price per standard drink would curtail the alcohol industry's ability to discount prices to increase sales and to shift consumers to cheaper alternatives."

Research by the groups found the alcopops tax, introduced in 2008, pushed down the sale of the popular drinks by more than 30 per cent in 2008-09.

The groups also pointed to the 2008 alcohol and drug survey of teenagers which showed that while the tax had not changed their preference for alcopops, the number of teen drinkers fell 27 per cent in three years.

"The Government acted wisely to introduce the alcopops tax but it was by no means enough," the groups say.

"In the face of thousands of deaths and over $15 billion in social and economic costs each year, our political leaders need to do more to address the unacceptable harm that alcohol continues to cause our society."

The Government has been facing calls to lift the price of alcohol.

The National Alliance for Action on Alcohol, an alliance of 22 health and medical groups, met MPs this month to lobby for alcohol price reform and for the issue to be discussed at the Government's tax summit in October.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/alcopop-tax-cut-teen-drinking/story-e6frea6u-12260...

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Reply #1 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 7:48am

OH no a policy success that the lib's said was just a big tax. I wonder what B/S they will roll out to cover over that, not hard for them as the electorate has decided that all Toni's lies are true, evidence and expert opinion are only a communist conspiracy to stop them doing what is right.
Silly ideas like a minimum alcohol price won't do we would rather wait till there is such a major health crisis that we can sue the companies instead of taking responsibility. This is the free market remember, free of responsibility, free to rip people off for my own gain, free of social conscience, free for all.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective Reply #2 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:03am We said drinkers would substitute - seems the study has left out the overall picture of how sales of other products went When in doubt - use the Swan excuse - GFC, Yasi
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Reply #3 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:19am

nairbe wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 7:48am:

OH no a policy success that the lib's said was just a big tax. I wonder what B/S they will roll out to cover over that, not hard for them as the electorate has decided that all Toni's lies are true, evidence and expert opinion are only a communist conspiracy to stop them doing what is right.
Silly ideas like a minimum alcohol price won't do we would rather wait till there is such a major health crisis that we can sue the companies instead of taking responsibility. This is the free market remember, free of responsibility, free to rip people off for my own gain, free of social conscience, free for all.

your a nasty piece of work arent you... the first thing you do is attack the libs.. forgetting of course that they did vote it in.. but forget about that inconvenient truth.

of course pot may now be cheaper..just because sales of a particular product have gone up or down.doesnt really mean its a success..

HOW DO THEY KNOW.. TEENAGERS ARE DRINKING LESS??

SORRY BUT THAT SEEM A HUGE ASK TO ME..

they are saying overall alcohol is on the decline..

if it is done by using a survey.. I am rather sceptical on that score.

like it or not they never detail how they come by these figures...

sales of a product is a good indication for sure. but to say a particular group has dropped.. well short of taking pictures of every purchaser I cant see how they can claim such huge figures..27%drop in teenagers drinking alcopops.

I am happy if that is the case and they havent turned to anything else.....very happy indeed..having teenagers in my family alcohol and drugs scare the hell out of me..so I say well done Labor..

there is also another upside to this and that would be teenage deaths on the road..or causing major accidents..

so well done again.

and as for your snide remarks. nairbe.. grow up! I dont think too many on here will be appalled by this news.. as much as you would like them to be..take a good look at yourself before you point fingers.

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Reply #4 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:37am

Maqqa wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

We said drinkers would substitute - seems the study has left out the overall picture of how sales of other products went

When in doubt - use the Swan excuse - GFC, Yasi

Labrats and greenies arent very good with thinking outseide their little box. Alcopops sales down, so we must have saved the kids from themselves.

It is a bit like when police monitor an area that kids normally hang around to try and stop them hanging around there. The kids just move on, so the police can do a labor and say 'yeh a success, the kids are not here, so it worked'.

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Reply #5 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:38am

Maqqa wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

We said drinkers would substitute - seems the study has left out the overall picture of how sales of other products went

Yes, you DID
Per USUAL, you were WRONG

Research by the groups found that the alcopops tax, introduced in 2008, pushed the sale of the popular drinks down by more than 30 per cent in a year.

While sales of other spirits rose in the same period, the increase accounted for less than half the fall in alcopop sales.

http://www.news.com.au/national/fresh-calls-to-hike-alcohol-prices/story-e6frfkv...

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Reply #6 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:44am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

We said drinkers would substitute - seems the study has left out the overall picture of how sales of other products went

Yes, you DID
Per USUAL, you were WRONG

Research by the groups found that the alcopops tax, introduced in 2008, pushed the sale of the popular drinks down by more than 30 per cent in a year.

While sales of other spirits rose in the same period, the increase accounted for less than half the fall in alcopop sales.

http://www.news.com.au/national/fresh-calls-to-hike-alcohol-prices/story-e6frfkv...

Lets see if Buzz can work out why.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective Reply #7 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:51am SENSES THE DESPERATION! SMELL THE FEAR! Labor supporters are desperately casting about trying to find a policy - ANY policy that Labor hasnt comprehensively screwed up. NOT EASY, IS IT?
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Reply #9 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:10am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

We said drinkers would substitute - seems the study has left out the overall picture of how sales of other products went

Yes, you DID
Per USUAL, you were WRONG

Research by the groups found that the alcopops tax, introduced in 2008, pushed the sale of the popular drinks down by more than 30 per cent in a year.

While sales of other spirits rose in the same period, the increase accounted for less than half the fall in alcopop sales.

http://www.news.com.au/national/fresh-calls-to-hike-alcohol-prices/story-e6frfkv...

And what happened to the sales of beer and wine??
e.g. This week at the bottle shop..10 pack of premixed(alcopop) bourbon and cola..$35.
24 pack of beer..$32.....4 litre cask of wine..$9
Which do YOU think teenagers would buy (or nick from their parents)??

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Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective
Reply #10 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:17am

GoddyofOz wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:51am:

SENSES THE DESPERATION! SMELL THE FEAR!

Labor supporters are desperately casting about trying to find a policy - ANY policy that Labor hasnt comprehensively screwed up.

NOT EASY, IS IT?

NBN, and burying workchoices.

DESPITE the campaigns run by The Australian and The Telegraph, BOTH the BER and Home Insulation Scheme were innovative, successful and financialy sound

The BER - the largest nation building project undetaken in Australia's history - giving 98.5% value for money
The HIS reducing fires per insulation by around 80% - a result of a FIRST installation national compliance standard

And BOTH were major factors in leaving Australia relatively unscathed throuh the GFC - that gave similar economies (and still DOES) double digit unemployment figures

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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective Reply #11 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:20am I was reading some industry stuff the other day, and it made mention about the increased volume in the sale of cask wines and so forth. If you make one too expensive, they just find an alternative. Soon kids will learn to drink beer again as it will be seen as the cheaper alternative.
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Reply #12 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:21am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:10am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

We said drinkers would substitute - seems the study has left out the overall picture of how sales of other products went

Yes, you DID
Per USUAL, you were WRONG

Research by the groups found that the alcopops tax, introduced in 2008, pushed the sale of the popular drinks down by more than 30 per cent in a year.

While sales of other spirits rose in the same period, the increase accounted for less than half the fall in alcopop sales.

http://www.news.com.au/national/fresh-calls-to-hike-alcohol-prices/story-e6frfkv...

And what happened to the sales of beer and wine??
e.g. This week at the bottle shop..10 pack of premixed(alcopop) bourbon and cola..$35.
24 pack of beer..$32.....4 litre cask of wine..$9
Which do YOU think teenagers would buy (or nick from their parents)??

Can't you READ ?

The UNIT sales of alcohol, OVERALL, have DROPPED

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Reply #13 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:35am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:10am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

We said drinkers would substitute - seems the study has left out the overall picture of how sales of other products went

Yes, you DID
Per USUAL, you were WRONG

Research by the groups found that the alcopops tax, introduced in 2008, pushed the sale of the popular drinks down by more than 30 per cent in a year.

While sales of other spirits rose in the same period, the increase accounted for less than half the fall in alcopop sales.

http://www.news.com.au/national/fresh-calls-to-hike-alcohol-prices/story-e6frfkv...

And what happened to the sales of beer and wine??
e.g. This week at the bottle shop..10 pack of premixed(alcopop) bourbon and cola..$35.
24 pack of beer..$32.....4 litre cask of wine..$9
Which do YOU think teenagers would buy (or nick from their parents)??

Can't you READ ?

The UNIT sales of alcohol, OVERALL, have DROPPED

No it doesn't say that....it says alcopop sales have fallen and the rise in sales of other SPIRITS have only rise by half of alcopop fall amount.

Beer and wine are NOT classed as spirits..

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Reply #14 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:37am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:10am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

We said drinkers would substitute - seems the study has left out the overall picture of how sales of other products went

Yes, you DID
Per USUAL, you were WRONG

Research by the groups found that the alcopops tax, introduced in 2008, pushed the sale of the popular drinks down by more than 30 per cent in a year.

While sales of other spirits rose in the same period, the increase accounted for less than half the fall in alcopop sales.

http://www.news.com.au/national/fresh-calls-to-hike-alcohol-prices/story-e6frfkv...

And what happened to the sales of beer and wine??
e.g. This week at the bottle shop..10 pack of premixed(alcopop) bourbon and cola..$35.
24 pack of beer..$32.....4 litre cask of wine..$9
Which do YOU think teenagers would buy (or nick from their parents)??

Can't you READ ?

The UNIT sales of alcohol, OVERALL, have DROPPED

I remember reading the other day that one major club in Sydney sell more coffee than alcohol now.

I think there has been a shift in peoples socialising habits as well. There appears to be less of a focus on alcohol driven and now more food driven.

Our bar is down or on a par with last year each month which means a decrease in real terms as we have had price increases since then, while our food and coffee is up 10-20% on last year.

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