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kingofthecastle

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Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective
Reply #15 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:37am

Can't you READ ?

The UNIT sales of alcohol, OVERALL, have DROPPED

Let me explain things for you Buzz.

Ten teenagers buy four packs of Alcopops and go to a party. That would cost them about $160.00.

Same teenagers buy two bottles of bourbon and four bottles of coke. Cost $100.00

So you see Buzz instead of 40 bottles of alcopops being sold there is only two bottles bourbon.

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Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective
Reply #16 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 10:20am

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:37am:

Can't you READ ?

The UNIT sales of alcohol, OVERALL, have DROPPED

Let me explain things for you Buzz.

Ten teenagers buy four packs of Alcopops and go to a party. That would cost them about $160.00.

Same teenagers buy two bottles of bourbon and four bottles of coke. Cost $100.00

So you see Buzz instead of 40 bottles of alcopops being sold there is only two bottles bourbon.

Unit sales are based on alcohol, by VOLUME
NOT a dollar value

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Reply #17 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 11:31am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 10:20am:

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:37am:

Can't you READ ?

The UNIT sales of alcohol, OVERALL, have DROPPED

Let me explain things for you Buzz.

Ten teenagers buy four packs of Alcopops and go to a party. That would cost them about $160.00.

Same teenagers buy two bottles of bourbon and four bottles of coke. Cost $100.00

So you see Buzz instead of 40 bottles of alcopops being sold there is only two bottles bourbon.

Unit sales are based on alcohol, by VOLUME
NOT a dollar value

And by type..
There are THREE basic classifications: Beer, wine and spirits..

Your link only refers to unit sales of spirits..

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective Reply #18 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 11:50am gosh I trust this wasnt published by a Murdoch paper.lol it couldnt possibly be correct if it was.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective Reply #19 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 12:22pm cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 11:50am: gosh I trust this wasnt published by a Murdoch paper.lol it couldnt possibly be correct if it was. HEHEHEHEHEHEHE
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Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective
Reply #21 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 12:32pm

Fresh calls to raise alcohol prices

July 17, 2011,

The success of the alcopops tax in cutting teen drinking could be used as a model to introduce a minimum price on all alcoholic beverages, drug and alcohol experts suggest.

A study of the effects of the three-year-old alcopops tax by an alliance of representatives from the Alcohol Advisory Group, National Drug Research Council and academics has found teenagers are drinking less as a result.

They used the findings to intensify their calls for the federal government to set a minimum price for all alcoholic drinks, arguing that teenagers are not the only ones indulging in excess drinking.

"If a pricing strategy is to be used to reduce the hazardous consumption and harm - and it is clear that price is the most effective and cost-effective measure we can use - a comprehensive approach is preferable," the groups wrote in an article published by the Medical Journal of Australia on Sunday.

"It should cover all products and aim to reduce the ability of industry to promote cheaper alternatives.

"This should include a comprehensive graduated volumetric taxation system that covers all types of alcoholic beverages and is informed by the relationship between consumption of these products and consequent harm.

"Setting a minimum price per standard drink would curtail the alcohol industry's ability to discount prices to increase sales and to shift consumers to cheaper alternatives."

Research by the groups found that the alcopops tax, introduced in 2008, pushed the sale of the popular drinks down by more than 30 per cent in a year.

While sales of other spirits rose in the same period, the increase accounted for less than half the fall in alcopop sales.

The groups also pointed to the 2008 alcohol and drug survey of teenagers which showed that while the tax had not changed their preference for alcopops, the number of teen drinkers fell 27 per cent in three years.

"Is the alcopops tax working? To the extent possible, probably yes in that (alcopops) are not the only beverage of concern and young drinkers and teenagers are not the only Australians being harmed by drinking," they wrote.

"The government acted wisely to introduce the alcopops tax but it was by no means enough.

"In the face of thousands of deaths and

over $15 billion in social and economic costs each year,

our political leaders need to do more to address the unacceptable harm that alcohol continues to cause our society."

The government has been facing growing calls to lift the price of alcohol.

The National Alliance for Action on Alcohol, an alliance of 22 health and medical groups, earlier this month met MPs and senators to lobby for alcohol price reform and for the issue to be discussed at the government's October tax summit

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/latest/a/-/article/9860603/fresh-calls-to-raise-alc...

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. and an EXCELLENT next step - the alcoholics "beverage of choice", the $10.00 4L box, priced out of the market

A minimum of around $5.00 per litre has been mentioned

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Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective
Reply #22 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 12:43pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 11:50am:

gosh I trust this wasnt published by a Murdoch paper.lol

it couldnt possibly be correct if it was.

HEHEHEHEHEHEHE

I post Murdoch materiel, with caution
This article is just basic reporting
It hasn't editorialised under the guise of a news story - as is the common practice by The Australian and the Telegraph, when "reporting" on Labor Government' business

I COULD just as easily gone with the ABC
The ONLY news service without vested interests and news staff that AREN'T bouns by a given political agenda

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Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective
Reply #23 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 5:35pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 11:50am:

gosh I trust this wasnt published by a Murdoch paper.lol

it couldnt possibly be correct if it was.

HEHEHEHEHEHEHE

I post Murdoch materiel, with caution
This article is just basic reporting
It hasn't editorialised under the guise of a news story - as is the common practice by The Australian and the Telegraph, when "reporting" on Labor Government' business

I COULD just as easily gone with the ABC
The ONLY news service without vested interests and news staff that AREN'T bouns by a given political agenda

well thanks anyway buzz, but just cuz you say what you say about the ABC doesnt make it necessarily so.. but believe what you may and the rest of us will believe what we may..

the murdoch press empire will be crumbling thats for sure.. so that must make you guys very happy..thank god for the SBS thats all I can say.

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Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective
Reply #24 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 5:46pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 5:35pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 11:50am:

gosh I trust this wasnt published by a Murdoch paper.lol

it couldnt possibly be correct if it was.

HEHEHEHEHEHEHE

I post Murdoch materiel, with caution
This article is just basic reporting
It hasn't editorialised under the guise of a news story - as is the common practice by The Australian and the Telegraph, when "reporting" on Labor Government' business

I COULD just as easily gone with the ABC
The ONLY news service without vested interests and news staff that AREN'T bouns by a given political agenda

well thanks anyway buzz, but just cuz you say what you say about the ABC doesnt make it necessarily so.. but believe what you may and the rest of us will believe what we may..

the murdoch press empire will be crumbling thats for sure.. so that must make you guys very happy..thank god for the SBS thats all I can say.

INDEED !
I've always said there ISN'T a god
But NOW I'm not so SURE ?

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Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective
Reply #25 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 6:22pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:17am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:51am:

SENSES THE DESPERATION! SMELL THE FEAR!

Labor supporters are desperately casting about trying to find a policy - ANY policy that Labor hasnt comprehensively screwed up.

NOT EASY, IS IT?

NBN, and burying workchoices.

DESPITE the campaigns run by The Australian and The Telegraph, BOTH the BER and Home Insulation Scheme were innovative, successful and financialy sound

The BER - the largest nation building project undetaken in Australia's history - giving 98.5% value for money
The HIS reducing fires per insulation by around 80% - a result of a FIRST installation national compliance standard

And BOTH were major factors in leaving Australia relatively unscathed throuh the GFC - that gave similar economies (and still DOES) double digit unemployment figures

as determined by a govt that defines 'value for money' as paying less than 3 times what priavet companies would pay. Hard to take it seriously. ANd is a 'value for money' building that a school didnt need and didnt want still a good thing? to labor supporters it appears that anythgin that involves spending billions of govt money on is a good thing. Sorta explains why everytime labor comes to power it leaves a wrecked economy and huge debt.

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Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective
Reply #26 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 6:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 6:22pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:17am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:51am:

SENSES THE DESPERATION! SMELL THE FEAR!

Labor supporters are desperately casting about trying to find a policy - ANY policy that Labor hasnt comprehensively screwed up.

NOT EASY, IS IT?

NBN, and burying workchoices.

DESPITE the campaigns run by The Australian and The Telegraph, BOTH the BER and Home Insulation Scheme were innovative, successful and financialy sound

The BER - the largest nation building project undetaken in Australia's history - giving 98.5% value for money
The HIS reducing fires per insulation by around 80% - a result of a FIRST installation national compliance standard

And BOTH were major factors in leaving Australia relatively unscathed throuh the GFC - that gave similar economies (and still DOES) double digit unemployment figures

as determined by a govt that defines 'value for money' as paying less than 3 times what priavet companies would pay. Hard to take it seriously

That is the same with ALL public works
As it ALWAYS has been
I don't KNOW the answer

When a government outhouse gets built, at a cost of $500,000, it doesn't mean the contractor was handed a cheque for that amount

The BULK of it is paperwork between government departments billing each other, back and forth, for paperworks and permits

Building costs, under the BER, were NO different than they were a months prior to its commencement

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Re: Alcopops tax achieves its objective
Reply #27 - Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:27pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 6:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 6:22pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:17am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:51am:

SENSES THE DESPERATION! SMELL THE FEAR!

Labor supporters are desperately casting about trying to find a policy - ANY policy that Labor hasnt comprehensively screwed up.

NOT EASY, IS IT?

NBN, and burying workchoices.

DESPITE the campaigns run by The Australian and The Telegraph, BOTH the BER and Home Insulation Scheme were innovative, successful and financialy sound

The BER - the largest nation building project undetaken in Australia's history - giving 98.5% value for money
The HIS reducing fires per insulation by around 80% - a result of a FIRST installation national compliance standard

And BOTH were major factors in leaving Australia relatively unscathed throuh the GFC - that gave similar economies (and still DOES) double digit unemployment figures

as determined by a govt that defines 'value for money' as paying less than 3 times what priavet companies would pay. Hard to take it seriously

That is the same with ALL public works
As it ALWAYS has been
I don't KNOW the answer

When a government outhouse gets built, at a cost of $500,000, it doesn't mean the contractor was handed a cheque for that amount

The BULK of it is paperwork between government departments billing each other, back and forth, for paperworks and permits

Building costs, under the BER, were NO different than they were a months prior to its commencement

but they built buildings for schools that were closing. They built $500,000 canteens too small to be used. They knocked downt 3 classrooms and built... 3 classrooms. They built a$250,000 library for a school with 1 student.

the BER was many things... good value for money it wasnt. because it the commonly used meaning of the term, NEED features into the equation.

Just another hopelessly managed labor screwup.

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