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Reply #15 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:26am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 9:37am:

I see they finally got someone to come forward to go up against Monckton.
He was concerned the other day that he was going to be the only speaker there.
Dennis obviously drew the short straw and was the sacrifical lamb.
Lord Monckton steamrolled over the top of Dennis as expected.

A classic case of style over substance.

When "Not" lord Mochkton publishs a scientific paper for peer review, then we can take him seriously.

That's funny.
It was good enough when Big Al Gore wrote his global warming bible that made him a bucketload of cash from the bedwetters.
It was also good enough for Flannery also to continue to make wild predictions that funnily enough remain unproven.
Should I go on?

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Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next
Reply #16 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:28am

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:16am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 9:37am:

I see they finally got someone to come forward to go up against Monckton.
He was concerned the other day that he was going to be the only speaker there.
Dennis obviously drew the short straw and was the sacrifical lamb.
Lord Monckton steamrolled over the top of Dennis as expected.

A classic case of style over substance.

When "Not" lord Mochkton publishs a scientific paper for peer review, then we can take him seriously.

ROSS GREGORY GARNAUT. Where is his published scientific paper for peer review?

Lord Garnaut, nobel laurette, is not refuting the science.

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Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next
Reply #17 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:30am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:28am:

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:16am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 9:37am:

I see they finally got someone to come forward to go up against Monckton.
He was concerned the other day that he was going to be the only speaker there.
Dennis obviously drew the short straw and was the sacrifical lamb.
Lord Monckton steamrolled over the top of Dennis as expected.

A classic case of style over substance.

When "Not" lord Mochkton publishs a scientific paper for peer review, then we can take him seriously.

ROSS GREGORY GARNAUT. Where is his published scientific paper for peer review?

Lord Garnaut, nobel laurette, is not refuting the science.

You didn't answer the question.

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Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next
Reply #18 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:31am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:26am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 9:37am:

I see they finally got someone to come forward to go up against Monckton.
He was concerned the other day that he was going to be the only speaker there.
Dennis obviously drew the short straw and was the sacrifical lamb.
Lord Monckton steamrolled over the top of Dennis as expected.

A classic case of style over substance.

When "Not" lord Mochkton publishs a scientific paper for peer review, then we can take him seriously.

That's funny.
It was good enough when Big Al Gore wrote his global warming bible that made him a bucketload of cash from the bedwetters.
It was also good enough for Flannery also to continue to make wild predictions that funnily enough remain unproven.
Should I go on?

Both arent refuting the science. They are presenting the peer reviewed science in laymans terms.

Mockton is directly contradicting the science without any sort of knowledge.

Would you like it if Mockton started a campain against heart transplants ?

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Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next
Reply #19 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:33am

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:30am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:28am:

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:16am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 9:37am:

I see they finally got someone to come forward to go up against Monckton.
He was concerned the other day that he was going to be the only speaker there.
Dennis obviously drew the short straw and was the sacrifical lamb.
Lord Monckton steamrolled over the top of Dennis as expected.

A classic case of style over substance.

When "Not" lord Mochkton publishs a scientific paper for peer review, then we can take him seriously.

ROSS GREGORY GARNAUT. Where is his published scientific paper for peer review?

Lord Garnaut, nobel laurette, is not refuting the science.

You didn't answer the question.

yes I did.

Anyway, the good thing about Monckton is, is that he weeds out the people who cling to denialism at any cost. Monckton is scam artist. Any sort of mild research can show that. Therefore anyone who believes him is also a scam artist, or very thick.

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Reply #20 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:34am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:31am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:26am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 9:37am:

I see they finally got someone to come forward to go up against Monckton.
He was concerned the other day that he was going to be the only speaker there.
Dennis obviously drew the short straw and was the sacrifical lamb.
Lord Monckton steamrolled over the top of Dennis as expected.

A classic case of style over substance.

When "Not" lord Mochkton publishs a scientific paper for peer review, then we can take him seriously.

That's funny.
It was good enough when Big Al Gore wrote his global warming bible that made him a bucketload of cash from the bedwetters.
It was also good enough for Flannery also to continue to make wild predictions that funnily enough remain unproven.
Should I go on?

Both arent refuting the science. They are presenting the peer reviewed science in laymans terms.

Mockton is directly contradicting the science without any sort of knowledge.

Would you like it if Mockton started a campain against heart transplants ?

Yep thats why Gore was cut off at the knees after he scammed the public into watching his so called movie. Laughed all the way to the bank.

As for your heart transplant words, that just shows you as a complete idiot.

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Reply #21 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:35am

From what I saw of the debate, Dr Denniss was making Monkton look the wantonly-ignorant, attention-seeking, delusional and elitist buffoon that he is!

Unlike Denniss, Monkton has little insight into the rapidly-escalating challenges facing humanity and no vision for managing the rapidly-encroaching world of the future...

Dennis approached the debate from the pragmatic perspective of orderly transition, by mitigating risks whilst maximising opportunities and living standards through innovation and co-operation - whereas Monkton keeps the faith in the counter-productive and toxic status quo of pseudo-corporate competition for short-term profit in unbridled industry-driven markets (at any and all other socio-economic and environmental costs)...

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Reply #23 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:36am

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 9:55am:

He cherry picks data in isolation which in no way disputes the whole science.....it is done to confuse the issue and draw all climate science into dispute.....Lets give him a hand of applause shall we???

"He cherry picks data in isolation which in no way disputes the whole science....."

...actualy, apart from his final comments he directly addressed the questions put to him. philperth2010, i suggest yer have a look-see at the video of the debate..

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Reply #24 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:36am

Equitist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:35am:

From what I saw of the debate, Dr Denniss was making Monkton look the wantonly-ignorant, attention-seeking and delusional buffoon that he is!

Unlike Denniss, Monkton has little insight into the rapidly-escalating challenges facing humanity and no vision for managing the rapidly-encroaching world of the future...

Dennis approached the debate from the pragmatic perspective of orderly transition, by mitigating risks whilst maximising opportunities and living standards through innovation and co-operation - whereas Monkton keeps the faith in the counter-productive and toxic status quo of pseudo-corporate competition for short-term profit in unbridled industry-driven markets (at any and all other socio-economic and environmental costs)...

When I want monkey brains to speak I will ask.

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Reply #25 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:37am

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:34am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:31am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:26am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 9:37am:

I see they finally got someone to come forward to go up against Monckton.
He was concerned the other day that he was going to be the only speaker there.
Dennis obviously drew the short straw and was the sacrifical lamb.
Lord Monckton steamrolled over the top of Dennis as expected.

A classic case of style over substance.

When "Not" lord Mochkton publishs a scientific paper for peer review, then we can take him seriously.

That's funny.
It was good enough when Big Al Gore wrote his global warming bible that made him a bucketload of cash from the bedwetters.
It was also good enough for Flannery also to continue to make wild predictions that funnily enough remain unproven.
Should I go on?

Both arent refuting the science. They are presenting the peer reviewed science in laymans terms.

Mockton is directly contradicting the science without any sort of knowledge.

Would you like it if Mockton started a campain against heart transplants ?

Yep thats why Gore was cut off at the knees after he scammed the public into watching his so called movie. Laughed all the way to the bank.

How can a movie be "so called". Surely a movie is a movie. Grin

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As for your heart transplant words, that just shows you as a complete idiot.

No. If you accept Mockton as a climate expert, you surely cant dismiss him as a medical expert either.
I hear he's also a dab hand at particle physics.

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Reply #26 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:40am

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:35am:

Monckton is scam artist

So what does that make Gore?

Im not sure how Al Gore gets dragged into a debate. Al Gore has been long left behind in most debates.

What Al Gore did brilliantly was get a scientific issue into the public arena.
Sure there was a lot of showmanship in his film which looks a bit dated now, but if his primary aim was to get people thinking about he consequences of co2 emissions, it will be regarded as a monumental work in history.

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Reply #27 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:44am

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:36am:

Equitist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:35am:

From what I saw of the debate, Dr Denniss was making Monkton look the wantonly-ignorant, attention-seeking and delusional buffoon that he is!

Unlike Denniss, Monkton has little insight into the rapidly-escalating challenges facing humanity and no vision for managing the rapidly-encroaching world of the future...

Dennis approached the debate from the pragmatic perspective of orderly transition, by mitigating risks whilst maximising opportunities and living standards through innovation and co-operation - whereas Monkton keeps the faith in the counter-productive and toxic status quo of pseudo-corporate competition for short-term profit in unbridled industry-driven markets (at any and all other socio-economic and environmental costs)...

When I want monkey brains to speak I will ask.

Clearly some nutters are quite delusional as to what castle they are actually king of.

Grin

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30096 Gender:	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #28 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:10pm Instead of creating publicity stunts, why doesn't Lord Monkey submit his thesis for peer review, including all of his own so called documented evidence to refute climate change ??
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Reply #29 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:11pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:00am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

I didn't watch the debate, but seeing how the righties are up in arms today I suspect that Dennis was making quite a lot of sense, and in fact it was Monckton with his usual dribble that didn't do as well as would've been hoped by the likes of progressiveslol.

With people like you supporting the whole AGW carbon tax caper, it has no hope. 5 years ago anybody could have introduced a cap and trade scheme. Now even its mildest version will cost Gillard the government.

Keep not listening, bozo.

And I rest my case that all the defensiveness of the righties shows Monckton was a little too loose. Grin

Defensivenesss? It's not my gal that's losing power at the next election.

In a way it is telling that a Scottish nob with a degree in classics (a good thing) can so easily underrmine and discredit the greatest moral challenge of our time. Why? Because the AGW boosters still have not realised that it is first a public policy debate, not a scientific one. That is the argument you are losing, the public policy argument, not the scientific one.

That is why you are unable to counter the the central question: how will public policy (carbon tax) impact on the science (climate).

You can't get your heads around it and the polls around the world show that people increasingly see that you can't. That's why you are losing the debate.

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