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Reply #165 - Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 4:12pm

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1 April 2010, April fools day..

culldav wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 2:17pm:

nichy wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 12:39pm:

CARBON emissions trading might be useless at tackling climate change but it is proving to be highly profitable for the financial engineers behind it – men like the godfather of pollution trading, an American called Richard Sandor, who was one of the founders of financial derivatives in the 1980s at junk bond trader Drexel Burnham Lambert.

It was at Drexel Burnham Lambert that Sandor pioneered the “collateral mortgage obligations” that eventually brought the financial markets to their knees. He was also architect of the first pollution permit trading scheme (in sulphur emissions) in the US in the 1990s.

Today he chairs the company controlling more than 80 percent of EU carbon emissions trading, Climate Exchange plc, which regularly launches “innovative” carbon products such as daily futures contracts and has set up trading exchanges in China, Canada and Australia.

Private Eye, No. 1258, 19 March – 1 April 2010

looks like anything he touches turns to shyte doesn't it? Wonder does Juliar know all about this?

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Reply #166 - Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 4:17pm

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astro_surf wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 8:53pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 7:27pm:

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Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:02pm:

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Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist

"Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist..."

Eh

... ah thoughts he said the world actually warmed up the last hundred odd years ?

Doctor Jolly please give a reference to "every scientist" who claims the world is currently warming..

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Hmmm... No reply, looks like Doctor Jolly has done a runner..

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You can't prove a negative, you dipsh1t! How about YOU present a scientific opinion that denies there has been warming over the last 100 years, you goddamn bottom feeding reject.

astro_surf runs away screaming insults..

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Reply #167 - Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 6:29pm

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Richard Treadgold comments on the one sided 'debate'..

"Viscount Monckton of Brenchley opened his debate at the National Press Club in Australia two days ago by reminding his audience that England not only took the Ashes off Australia, but also held on to them in the next rematch. He said: “I just thought I’d rub it in.” Then he proceeded to take his cudgel to his feeble debating opponent.

Economist Richard Deniss must be no intellectual weakling, but he gave the impression of not knowing where he was, so he said the things he normally said. Which usually works, because his normal audience has heard them before and agrees with him. But here, he floundered and had no idea what he was doing.

He definitely didn’t know what we were doing, which was measuring the two men against each other, and he didn’t realise we wanted facts about the climate. He kept reiterating his bewilderment that “sceptics” disagreed about climate change measures, or how important it was to bow to the scientific consensus. The stodgy stratagem was leaden against the sparkling, acrobatic and keenly wielded wit of his opponent Monckton.

He stood no chance. He might as well have spent his time scrawling “cretin” on his forehead and blinking up at the television lights with his tongue hanging out, so ineffective was his delivery. Coming as an adversary to the rapier intellect of Monckton..." continues - http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/07/sixes-all-around-the-park... i.

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Reply #168 - Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 6:48pm

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 6:29pm:

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Richard Treadgold comments on the one sided 'debate'..

"Viscount Monckton of Brenchley opened his debate at the National Press Club in Australia two days ago by reminding his audience that England not only took the Ashes off Australia, but also held on to them in the next rematch. He said: “I just thought I’d rub it in.” Then he proceeded to take his cudgel to his feeble debating opponent.

Economist Richard Deniss must be no intellectual weakling, but he gave the impression of not knowing where he was, so he said the things he normally said. Which usually works, because his normal audience has heard them before and agrees with him. But here, he floundered and had no idea what he was doing.

He definitely didn’t know what we were doing, which was measuring the two men against each other, and he didn’t realise we wanted facts about the climate. He kept reiterating his bewilderment that “sceptics” disagreed about climate change measures, or how important it was to bow to the scientific consensus. The stodgy stratagem was leaden against the sparkling, acrobatic and keenly wielded wit of his opponent Monckton.

He stood no chance. He might as well have spent his time scrawling “cretin” on his forehead and blinking up at the television lights with his tongue hanging out, so ineffective was his delivery. Coming as an adversary to the rapier intellect of Monckton..." continues - http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2011/07/sixes-all-around-the-park...

After waiting for so long to find out who his debating adversary was going to be in the end, Lord Monckton could have been forgiven for thinking his 'debate' was to be a one man show.
The poor inept beancounter Denniss must have drawn the short straw amongst all the others who could and should have been at the press gallery that evening.
Lord Monckton ran rings around him using the 'facts' given by the IPCC and others favoured by the lefty bedwetters, poor Deniss was a lamb to the slaughter.

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Reply #169 - Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:08pm

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 6:27am:

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Like I said, they are 3 respected organisations, they have websites, look it up!

The short version is, "get off you butt & do your own research"!

But, you won't because you are not interested in the truth, like a few others on this website & others.

Well perceptions_now, i caint see just where yer claims are written so yer just better show me..

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More info please perceptions_now Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?..

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How you doin, have you figured out how to use the internet yet?

Or is it that you simply have no intention of looking or accepting anything that doesn't fit your fixed opinion, so you would not pay any credence to anything raised by the likes of NOA, NASA & the CSIRO?

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Reply #170 - Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:10pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 6:27am:

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Quote:

via perceptions_now:

Like I said, they are 3 respected organisations, they have websites, look it up!

The short version is, "get off you butt & do your own research"!

But, you won't because you are not interested in the truth, like a few others on this website & others.

Well perceptions_now, i caint see just where yer claims are written so yer just better show me..

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More info please perceptions_now Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?..

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How you doin, have you figured out how to use the internet yet?

Or is it that you simply have no intention of looking or accepting anything that doesn't fit your fixed opinion, so you would not pay any credence to anything raised by the likes of NOA, NASA & the CSIRO?

I cant seem to find the information either. It must be true because we here it plenty, but just not when we look for it.

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Reply #171 - Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:35pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:10pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 6:27am:

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Quote:

via perceptions_now:

Like I said, they are 3 respected organisations, they have websites, look it up!

The short version is, "get off you butt & do your own research"!

But, you won't because you are not interested in the truth, like a few others on this website & others.

Well perceptions_now, i caint see just where yer claims are written so yer just better show me..

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More info please perceptions_now Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?..

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How you doin, have you figured out how to use the internet yet?

Or is it that you simply have no intention of looking or accepting anything that doesn't fit your fixed opinion, so you would not pay any credence to anything raised by the likes of NOA, NASA & the CSIRO?

I cant seem to find the information either. It must be true because we here it plenty, but just not when we look for it.

Gee, I really feel sorry for you poor OLD buggers, who can't even use the internet.

Let me give you one more small hint.

Try going to Google, then -
1) Put in - the organisation concerned - ie NASA GISS
2) Add + Climate Change

You MAY be surprised at how many options there are and how much information will become available?

Although you, the Flying Bunghi and some others have no intention of reading it, much less comprehending it, because your minds are already fixed AND incorrectly so!

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Reply #172 - Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:41pm

Global warming sceptic Monckton defends title

SYDNEY — High-profile climate change sceptic Lord Monckton has reacted defiantly to a request from London to stop claiming to be a member of the House of Lords, telling the chamber to "get used to it".

The outspoken Monckton inherited his title after the passing of the House of Lords Act in 1999 which stripped hereditary peers from their automatic right to sit and vote in the chamber.

But Monckton claims the Act is flawed and unconstitutional and still refers to himself as a member of the upper house, though admittedly one "without the right to sit or vote".

Questioned on his membership in Australia on Tuesday, Monckton defended his credentials by brandishing his British passport which refers to the holder as "the right honourable Christopher Walter Viscount Monckton of Brenchley".

"The House of Lords says I am not a member of it. My passport says I am -- get used to it," Monckton told journalists in Canberra where he was taking part in a debate on climate change.

Clerk of the Parliaments David Beamish wrote to Monckton on July 15 asking him to cease claiming to be a member of the House of Lords, either directly or by implication.

"You are not and have never been a member of the House of Lords," the open letter published on the parliamentary website said.

"Your assertion that you are a member, but without the right to sit or vote, is a contradiction in terms."

While no one would deny Monckton was a hereditary peer, this was an entirely separate issue to membership of the House, the letter continued.

But Monckton, in Canberra to campaign against Australia's carbon tax, brushed off questions on the matter as "futile and drivelling", and called on the British parliament to publish his response on its website.

"They have not so far found the courage so far to answer," he said.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i4fZpIOOXAhrKzfse9pchex2Hv1g?...
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Another example on Monckton is Right & the others are Wrong?

I can tell you, who will win this argument & who will win the Climate Change argument and in the longer term, IT WON'T NE MONCKTON!

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #173 - Jul 23^rd, 2011 at 8:45am Lord Monckton wins Press Club debate and persuaded 9% more Australians to his view that ‘Concerns about Global Warming are exaggerated’ http://www.roymorgan.com/news/press-releases/2011/1393/ This is why they need to shut down debate and shut down skeptics especially
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Reply #174 - Jul 23^rd, 2011 at 12:10pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2011 at 8:45am:

Lord Monckton wins Press Club debate and persuaded 9% more Australians
to his view that ‘Concerns about Global Warming are exaggerated’

http://www.roymorgan.com/news/press-releases/2011/1393/

This is why they need to shut down debate and shut down skeptics especially
http://www.roymorgan.com/roymorgan/library/i34686_8.JPG

http://www.roymorgan.com/roymorgan/library/w35197_8.jpg

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I wonder how many on the left side of politics agree with the statement by progressives that "they need to shut down debate and shut down skeptics especially".. ....

Shut down debate? So that we can live as they do in North Korea perhaps? No thanks.

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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #175 - Jul 23^rd, 2011 at 12:12pm Gary Morgan HOSTED Monckton at his Collins St fiefdom, hardly an impartial player, his polls can't be trusted for a second. Little better than push polling.
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Reply #176 - Jul 23^rd, 2011 at 1:35pm

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perceptions_now wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:35pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:10pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 6:27am:

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via perceptions_now:

Like I said, they are 3 respected organisations, they have websites, look it up!

The short version is, "get off you butt & do your own research"!

But, you won't because you are not interested in the truth, like a few others on this website & others.

Well perceptions_now, i caint see just where yer claims are written so yer just better show me..

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More info please perceptions_now Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?..

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How you doin, have you figured out how to use the internet yet?

Or is it that you simply have no intention of looking or accepting anything that doesn't fit your fixed opinion, so you would not pay any credence to anything raised by the likes of NOA, NASA & the CSIRO?

I cant seem to find the information either. It must be true because we here it plenty, but just not when we look for it.

Gee, I really feel sorry for you poor OLD buggers, who can't even use the internet.

Let me give you one more small hint.

Try going to Google, then -
1) Put in - the organisation concerned - ie NASA GISS
2) Add + Climate Change

You MAY be surprised at how many options there are and how much information will become available?

Although you, the Flying Bunghi and some others have no intention of reading it, much less comprehending it, because your minds are already fixed AND incorrectly so!

Oh dear, here's dumb ol hill farmer me asking a simple question and perceptions_now seems unable to answer..

repeat -

More info please perceptions_now. Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?..

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Reply #177 - Jul 26^th, 2011 at 9:49pm

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Has Doctor_Jolly done a runner ?..

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:15pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:00am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

I didn't watch the debate, but seeing how the righties are up in arms today I suspect that Dennis was making quite a lot of sense, and in fact it was Monckton with his usual dribble that didn't do as well as would've been hoped by the likes of progressiveslol.

With people like you supporting the whole AGW carbon tax caper, it has no hope. 5 years ago anybody could have introduced a cap and trade scheme. Now even its mildest version will cost Gillard the government.

Keep not listening, bozo.

And I rest my case that all the defensiveness of the righties shows Monckton was a little too loose. Grin

Defensivenesss? It's not my gal that's losing power at the next election.

In a way it is telling that a Scottish nob with a degree in classics (a good thing) can so easily underrmine and discredit the greatest moral challenge of our time. Why? Because the AGW boosters still have not realised that it is first a public policy debate, not a scientific one. That is the argument you are losing, the public policy argument, not the scientific one.

Hang on. Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist.
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That is why you are unable to counter the the central question: how will public policy (carbon tax) impact on the science (climate).

You can't get your heads around it and the polls around the world show that people increasingly see that you can't. That's why you are losing the debate.

In Economic circles the best policy to reduce co2 emissions is a carbon price. That debate has been and gone, and the result is settled.

The science is in, the economics is in. The only thing left is confusionalists whose agenda is power or fame rather than making the world a better place to live.

Pity the fools who fall for their antics.

Doctor_Jolly please give a reference to "every scientist" who claims the world is currently warming..

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Reply #178 - Jul 26^th, 2011 at 10:35pm

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2011 at 1:35pm:

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perceptions_now wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:35pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:10pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 6:27am:

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Quote:

via perceptions_now:

Like I said, they are 3 respected organisations, they have websites, look it up!

The short version is, "get off you butt & do your own research"!

But, you won't because you are not interested in the truth, like a few others on this website & others.

Well perceptions_now, i caint see just where yer claims are written so yer just better show me..

repeat -

More info please perceptions_now Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?..

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How you doin, have you figured out how to use the internet yet?

Or is it that you simply have no intention of looking or accepting anything that doesn't fit your fixed opinion, so you would not pay any credence to anything raised by the likes of NOA, NASA & the CSIRO?

I cant seem to find the information either. It must be true because we here it plenty, but just not when we look for it.

Gee, I really feel sorry for you poor OLD buggers, who can't even use the internet.

Let me give you one more small hint.

Try going to Google, then -
1) Put in - the organisation concerned - ie NASA GISS
2) Add + Climate Change

You MAY be surprised at how many options there are and how much information will become available?

Although you, the Flying Bunghi and some others have no intention of reading it, much less comprehending it, because your minds are already fixed AND incorrectly so!

Oh dear, here's dumb ol hill farmer me asking a simple question and perceptions_now seems unable to answer..

repeat -

More info please perceptions_now. Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?..

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perceptions_now wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:35pm:

Gee, I really feel sorry for you poor OLD buggers, who can't even use the internet.

Let me give you one more small hint.

Try going to Google, then -
1) Put in - the organisation concerned - ie NASA GISS
2) Add + Climate Change

You MAY be surprised at how many options there are and how much information will become available?

Although you, the Flying Bunghi and some others have no intention of reading it, much less comprehending it, because your minds are already fixed AND incorrectly so!

Perahps you could stop talkig to yourself & bone up on your internet & comprehension skills?

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Reply #179 - Jul 27^th, 2011 at 8:39am

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Oh dear, here's dumb ol hill farmer me asking a simple question and perceptions_now seems unable to answer..

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More info please perceptions_now. Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?..

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 26^th, 2011 at 10:35pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2011 at 1:35pm:

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perceptions_now wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:35pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:10pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 6:27am:

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Quote:

via perceptions_now:

Like I said, they are 3 respected organisations, they have websites, look it up!

The short version is, "get off you butt & do your own research"!

But, you won't because you are not interested in the truth, like a few others on this website & others.

Well perceptions_now, i caint see just where yer claims are written so yer just better show me..

repeat -

More info please perceptions_now Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?..

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How you doin, have you figured out how to use the internet yet?

Or is it that you simply have no intention of looking or accepting anything that doesn't fit your fixed opinion, so you would not pay any credence to anything raised by the likes of NOA, NASA & the CSIRO?

I cant seem to find the information either. It must be true because we here it plenty, but just not when we look for it.

Gee, I really feel sorry for you poor OLD buggers, who can't even use the internet.

Let me give you one more small hint.

Try going to Google, then -
1) Put in - the organisation concerned - ie NASA GISS
2) Add + Climate Change

You MAY be surprised at how many options there are and how much information will become available?

Although you, the Flying Bunghi and some others have no intention of reading it, much less comprehending it, because your minds are already fixed AND incorrectly so!

Oh dear, here's dumb ol hill farmer me asking a simple question and perceptions_now seems unable to answer..

repeat -

More info please perceptions_now. Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?..

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Repeat -
perceptions_now wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2011 at 7:35pm:

Gee, I really feel sorry for you poor OLD buggers, who can't even use the internet.

Let me give you one more small hint.

Try going to Google, then -
1) Put in - the organisation concerned - ie NASA GISS
2) Add + Climate Change

You MAY be surprised at how many options there are and how much information will become available?

Although you, the Flying Bunghi and some others have no intention of reading it, much less comprehending it, because your minds are already fixed AND incorrectly so!

Perahps you could stop talkig to yourself & bone up on your internet & comprehension skills?

perceptions_now, ah geuss then with yer 'skills' that you could give me a direct link and allso a quote from the link to back up yer claims ?..

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