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Reply #30 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:15pm

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:00am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

I didn't watch the debate, but seeing how the righties are up in arms today I suspect that Dennis was making quite a lot of sense, and in fact it was Monckton with his usual dribble that didn't do as well as would've been hoped by the likes of progressiveslol.

With people like you supporting the whole AGW carbon tax caper, it has no hope. 5 years ago anybody could have introduced a cap and trade scheme. Now even its mildest version will cost Gillard the government.

Keep not listening, bozo.

And I rest my case that all the defensiveness of the righties shows Monckton was a little too loose. Grin

Defensivenesss? It's not my gal that's losing power at the next election.

In a way it is telling that a Scottish nob with a degree in classics (a good thing) can so easily underrmine and discredit the greatest moral challenge of our time. Why? Because the AGW boosters still have not realised that it is first a public policy debate, not a scientific one. That is the argument you are losing, the public policy argument, not the scientific one.

Hang on. Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist.
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That is why you are unable to counter the the central question: how will public policy (carbon tax) impact on the science (climate).

You can't get your heads around it and the polls around the world show that people increasingly see that you can't. That's why you are losing the debate.

In Economic circles the best policy to reduce co2 emissions is a carbon price. That debate has been and gone, and the result is settled.

The science is in, the economics is in. The only thing left is confusionalists whose agenda is power or fame rather than making the world a better place to live.

Pity the fools who fall for their antics.

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Reply #31 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:35pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

Instead of creating publicity stunts, why doesn't Lord Monkey submit his thesis for peer review, including all of his own so called documented evidence to refute climate change ??

He did submit a paper on Climate Sensitivity, which was reviewed by a Physics Professor Alvin Saperstein, and the journal's editor as well.

Despite the disclaimer from the itself..(the editor/s were apparently sacked for publishing it..odd huh?)

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm

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Reply #32 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 1:01pm

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:11pm:

Defensivenesss? It's not my gal that's losing power at the next election.

In a way it is telling that a Scottish nob with a degree in classics (a good thing) can so easily underrmine and discredit the greatest moral challenge of our time. Why? Because the AGW boosters still have not realised that it is first a public policy debate, not a scientific one. That is the argument you are losing, the public policy argument, not the scientific one.

That is why you are unable to counter the the central question: how will public policy (carbon tax) impact on the science (climate).

You can't get your heads around it and the polls around the world show that people increasingly see that you can't. That's why you are losing the debate.

It's not my "gal" either. Grin

Actually, if I give Monckton any credit, it is that he is a very, very intelligent person, who unfortunately abuses that intelligence by being able to find little points here and there, and putting them into the public domain for the "less" intelligent to cling on to.

As for it being a question of public policy, not science, I 100% agree. My problem is that Monckton's assertions that any action results in insignificance, does not equate to public policy. And has very much the underlying claims that man made climate change is crap; which, as you have said, the debate has moved on from.

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Reply #33 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:02pm

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Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist

"Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist..."

Eh

... ah thoughts he said the world actually warmed up the last hundred odd years ?

Doctor Jolly please give a reference to "every scientist" who claims the world is currently warming..

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #34 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:11pm Monkton is a pompous little coq, he was asked yesterday about the British gov telling him he was not entitled to use the title of lord and the bug eyed little prick said"well its on my passport and you will use it" pompous little toad.
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Reply #35 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:16pm

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:02pm:

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Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist

"Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist..."

Eh

... ah thoughts he said the world actually warmed up the last hundred odd years ?

Doctor Jolly

please give a reference to "every scientist" who claims the world is currently warming.

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You may like to go with NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO, for starters.

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Reply #36 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:20pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:16pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:02pm:

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via Doctor Jolly:

Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist

"Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist..."

Eh

... ah thoughts he said the world actually warmed up the last hundred odd years ?

Doctor Jolly

please give a reference to "every scientist" who claims the world is currently warming.

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You may like to go with NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO, for starters.

Yes, who do I believe? the CSIRO and NASA or a fake lord and Gloria Jones???????

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Reply #37 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:39pm

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perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:16pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:02pm:

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via Doctor Jolly:

Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist

"Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist..."

Eh

... ah thoughts he said the world actually warmed up the last hundred odd years ?

Doctor Jolly

please give a reference to "every scientist" who claims the world is currently warming.

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You may like to go with NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO, for starters

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More info please perceptions_now Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?..

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #38 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:57pm Quote: Where do we find these claims of "every scientist" at NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO ?.. I can make that much easier for you, how about you name one, just one scientist that works for any of those organisations that is a climate skeptic, go on, I bet you cant.
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Reply #39 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 3:11pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:35pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:10pm:

Instead of creating publicity stunts, why doesn't Lord Monkey submit his thesis for peer review, including all of his own so called documented evidence to refute climate change ??

He did submit a paper on Climate Sensitivity, which was reviewed by a Physics Professor Alvin Saperstein, and the journal's editor as well.

Despite the disclaimer from the itself..(the editor/s were apparently sacked for publishing it..odd huh?)

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm

Did you read the disclaimer at the bottom....

The Forum on Physics and Society is a place for discussion and disagreement on scientific and policy matters. Our newsletter publishes a combination of non- peer- reviewed technical articles, policy analyses, and opinion. All articles and editorials published in the newsletter solely represent the views of their authors and do not necessarily represent the views of the Forum Executive Committee.

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Reply #40 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 3:53pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:36am:

Equitist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:35am:

From what I saw of the debate, Dr Denniss was making Monkton look the wantonly-ignorant, attention-seeking and delusional buffoon that he is!

Unlike Denniss, Monkton has little insight into the rapidly-escalating challenges facing humanity and no vision for managing the rapidly-encroaching world of the future...

Dennis approached the debate from the pragmatic perspective of orderly transition, by mitigating risks whilst maximising opportunities and living standards through innovation and co-operation - whereas Monkton keeps the faith in the counter-productive and toxic status quo of pseudo-corporate competition for short-term profit in unbridled industry-driven markets (at any and all other socio-economic and environmental costs)...

When I want monkey brains to speak I will ask.

Clearly some nutters are quite delusional as to what castle they are actually king of.

Grin

Wow another one has come down out of the trees.

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #41 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 3:55pm Have you guys considered 'playing the ball, not the Man'??? Perhaps you should think about disputing the message, not the messenger??
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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #42 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:21pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 3:55pm: Have you guys considered 'playing the ball, not the Man'??? Perhaps you should think about disputing the message, not the messenger?? We're doing both. The message is easy to refute. Done that ages ago.
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kingofthecastle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 585	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #43 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:21pm For someone who claims to be a farmer skippy seems to spend a huge amount of time on here. Farmers I know work more than they play.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #44 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:22pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 3:55pm: Have you guys considered 'playing the ball, not the Man'??? Perhaps you should think about disputing the message, not the messenger?? What is funny is then they cry that the debate has gone down hill. lol
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