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Reply #45 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:34pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 3:55pm:

Have you guys considered 'playing the ball, not the Man'???

Perhaps you should think about disputing the message, not the messenger??

What is funny is then they cry that the debate has gone down hill. lol

We're not playing the man. No one has called him a bitch or whore or any other rude words.

Our playing the man is just proving to you idiots that he's doing it for the fame and money, and wouldnt know a weather balloon if it hit him on the head.

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Reply #46 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:48pm

The deniers will believe any old tripe that is served to them as long as it means avoiding change no matter how inevitable it is.
The worlds moved on from the argument and the only thing left is the best way to deal with it.
If it was the stoneage they would be arguing about the jobs lost while there was still stone to use.
Deniers can please themselves because the world does not stand still just because they are afraid of their own shadows.

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Reply #47 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:48pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 10:31am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 9:55am:

He cherry picks data in isolation which in no way disputes the whole science.....it is done to confuse the issue and draw all climate science into dispute.....Lets give him a hand of applause shall we???

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You obviously didn't watch the video then.
Nothing confusing in what Monckton was saying to me.

'but but but'.....

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Reply #48 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:51pm

adelcrow wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:48pm:

The deniers will believe any old tripe that is served to them as long as it means avoiding change no matter how inevitable it is.
The worlds moved on from the argument and the only thing left is the best way to deal with it.
If it was the stoneage they would be arguing about the jobs lost while there was still stone to use.
Deniers can please themselves because the world does not stand still just because they are afraid of their own shadows.

The deniers are waiting for bottlenecks,... only then will there be enough money and associated primal screaming worth getting aroused about!!! Shocked

The deniers are waiting for bottlenecks,... only then will there be enough money and associated primal screaming worth getting aroused about!!! Shocked

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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kingofthecastle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 585	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #49 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:56pm Deadhorsesh1t has has arrived. That's it.
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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #50 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 5:08pm kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:56pm: Deadhorsesh1t has has arrived. That's it. We can agree on that!
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Reply #51 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 5:13pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 3:55pm:

Have you guys considered 'playing the ball, not the Man'???

Perhaps you should think about disputing the message, not the messenger??

What is funny is then they cry that the debate has gone down hill. lol

We're not playing the man. No one has called him a bitch or whore or any other rude words.

Our playing the man is just proving to you idiots that he's doing it for the fame and money, and wouldnt know a weather balloon if it hit him on the head.

No?? then what is the point of the 'he's not a Lord'...and all the other stuff, like:
'He cherry picks data'
'Monckton with his usual dribble'
'When "Not" lord Mochkton'
'was making Monkton look the wantonly-ignorant, attention-seeking, delusional and elitist buffoon that he is'
'Monkton is a pompous little coq' etc..if not to 'play the man' not the ball..???

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Reply #52 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 5:18pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 5:13pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 3:55pm:

Have you guys considered 'playing the ball, not the Man'???

Perhaps you should think about disputing the message, not the messenger??

What is funny is then they cry that the debate has gone down hill. lol

We're not playing the man. No one has called him a bitch or whore or any other rude words.

Our playing the man is just proving to you idiots that he's doing it for the fame and money, and wouldnt know a weather balloon if it hit him on the head.

No?? then what is the point of the 'he's not a Lord'...and all the other stuff, like:
'He cherry picks data'
'Monckton with his usual dribble'
'When "Not" lord Mochkton'
'was making Monkton look the wantonly-ignorant, attention-seeking, delusional and elitist buffoon that he is'
'Monkton is a pompous little coq' etc..if not to 'play the man' not the ball..???

He is not a Lord. If I went around calling myself Lord Jolly, you'd have everyright to question it.
He does cherry pick data. He's admitted that.
Buffon and coq, fair enough. But they are pretty tame compared to the horrible things the right wing call our PM.

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Reply #53 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 5:23pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 5:13pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 4:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 3:55pm:

Have you guys considered 'playing the ball, not the Man'???

Perhaps you should think about disputing the message, not the messenger??

What is funny is then they cry that the debate has gone down hill. lol

We're not playing the man. No one has called him a bitch or whore or any other rude words.

Our playing the man is just proving to you idiots that he's doing it for the fame and money, and wouldnt know a weather balloon if it hit him on the head.

No?? then what is the point of the 'he's not a Lord'...and all the other stuff, like:
'He cherry picks data'
'Monckton with his usual dribble'
'When "Not" lord Mochkton'
'was making Monkton look the wantonly-ignorant, attention-seeking, delusional and elitist buffoon that he is'
'Monkton is a pompous little coq' etc..if not to 'play the man' not the ball..???

He is not a Lord. If I went around calling myself Lord Jolly, you'd have everyright to question it.
He does cherry pick data. He's admitted that.
Buffon and coq, fair enough. But they are pretty tame compared to the horrible things the right wing call our PM.

And once AGAIN...the 'traditional' form of address when speaking to a Viscount or any other peer of the Realm IS 'Lord'...it's got nothing to do withh membership of the 'House of Lords...it's how people address Peers...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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kingofthecastle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 585	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #54 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 5:31pm If I went around calling myself Lord Jolly, you'd have everyright to question it. Wouldn't do that around Oxford st Sydney or St Kilda in Melbourne if I were you.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #55 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 6:09pm Even Maggie Thatcher cited climate change as one of the reasons for closing most of the UK's coal mines. Abbott and his mad Lord mate are further to the right than Thatcher..what idiots
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Reply #56 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 6:22pm

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buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 6:11pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 19^th, 2011 at 6:56pm:

I just heard on the news today that he is NOT a member of the House of Lords and should desist in claiming so Wink

There was also THIS one, from the modern day Walter Mitty ...

Sorry Lord Monckton
You are a fraud

Hugh Riminton

Let’s leave the argument about climate change for other people and another day.

This is all about your continued claims to be something you are not - the winner of the Nobel Prize.

The third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley was in Canberra yesterday. He held a private audience with Tony Abbott. Then he addressed an adoring audience who were quite happy to join him in an oddly schoolboyish display.

Lord Monckton would bellow “ETS?”. The crowd needed little encouragement to shout back “NO!” And so on.

But the disturbing element was Lord Monckton’s insistence on Truth. If Truth needed further bolstering, he broke into Latin. He invoked everyone from 12th Century Arabic philosophers to Pontius Pilate. “Quid Est Veritas?” asked Lord Monckton.

Quid, indeed.

He left no doubt that his was a life in lonely dedication to Truth - that thing, he says, that never changes no matter how many lies are told.

For him, human-caused global warming is not simply wrong, or bad science. It is a lie. Or in his view, many lies.
So back to his Nobel prize.

For some time - Google “Monckton” and “Nobel Prize” and see for yourself - the great sceptic-in-chief has been passing himself off as a Nobel Laureate.

Cornered last month by the Sydney Morning Herald, he reportedly said it was “a joke, a joke.”

Yet the website of his organisation, the Science and Public Policy Institute - as of yesterday - continues to press the claim.

The site is extremely specific. Lord Monckton “earned the status of Nobel Peace Laureate (through) his contribution to the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report in 2007.”

That contribution itself is detailed. Furthermore, the website continues, “his Nobel Prize pin…was presented to him by the Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of Rochester, New York.”

What credible person would not correct the error immediately - if it is indeed an error.

To be sure,

I rang the Nobel Committee that administers the Peace Prize.

Committee secretary Geir Lundestat had never heard of Lord Monckton. I emailed him the Monckton website.

“The claim is ridiculous,” said Lundestat. “He is not a laureate - no way, no way.”

Thousands of people, he said, participated in the program of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which shared the 2007 prize with Al Gore.

“But the organisation won the prize. Not even Dr Rajendra Pachauri (the chair of the IPCC) is an individual laureate.”

No individual, no matter what their involvement with the IPCC, can pass themselves off an a Nobel Laureate.

As for Lord Monckton’s Nobel Prize pin?

“It certainly wasn’t issued by us,” said Lundestat. “We have no pin.”

So now you know. Not that the news will disturb many of those lovers of Truth who pack the halls to hear him speak

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http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/lord-monckton-nobel-prize/

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Reply #57 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 6:25pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:15pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 12:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 11:00am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

I didn't watch the debate, but seeing how the righties are up in arms today I suspect that Dennis was making quite a lot of sense, and in fact it was Monckton with his usual dribble that didn't do as well as would've been hoped by the likes of progressiveslol.

With people like you supporting the whole AGW carbon tax caper, it has no hope. 5 years ago anybody could have introduced a cap and trade scheme. Now even its mildest version will cost Gillard the government.

Keep not listening, bozo.

And I rest my case that all the defensiveness of the righties shows Monckton was a little too loose. Grin

Defensivenesss? It's not my gal that's losing power at the next election.

In a way it is telling that a Scottish nob with a degree in classics (a good thing) can so easily underrmine and discredit the greatest moral challenge of our time. Why? Because the AGW boosters still have not realised that it is first a public policy debate, not a scientific one. That is the argument you are losing, the public policy argument, not the scientific one.

Hang on. Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist.
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That is why you are unable to counter the the central question: how will public policy (carbon tax) impact on the science (climate).

You can't get your heads around it and the polls around the world show that people increasingly see that you can't. That's why you are losing the debate.

In Economic circles the best policy to reduce co2 emissions is a carbon price. That debate has been and gone, and the result is settled.

The science is in, the economics is in. The only thing left is confusionalists whose agenda is power or fame rather than making the world a better place to live.

Pity the fools who fall for their antics.

in that case it must have missed these experts that EVERY SINGLE use of a carbon tax has failed to change emissions as the EU itself says.

try again.

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Reply #59 - Jul 20^th, 2011 at 7:01pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 6:22pm: