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Reply #90 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 8:48am

skippy. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 8:28am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 7:27am:

skippy. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:20pm:

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Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist

"Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist..."

Eh

... ah thoughts he said the world actually warmed up the last hundred odd years ?

Doctor Jolly

please give a reference to "every scientist" who claims the world is currently warming.

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You may like to go with NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO, for starters.

Yes, who do I believe? the CSIRO and NASA or a fake lord and Gloria Jones???????

Those two organisations are simply singing from the same hymn book and getting their 'facts' from the same source.
And they both quote world average temperatures from a time well before those organisations existence, and before temperatures were logged.
Which means their 'facts' are extrapolation and therefore are more educated guesses than 'facts'.

So chook prefers an old queen shock jock and a fake lord over the CSIRO and NASA, thanks chook, that tells us a lot about you and how your brain works.

Not quite skip, but close.
I prefer the scientists that speak on the old queen shock jocks number 1 in the country program instead, those that the wedwetting left seem to continually ignore.
They obviously hate it when Gloria trots out those inconvenient numbers and statistics that clearly show up the end of the world nervous nellies for what they are. Total panic merchants.
And the fake lord also gets his information from scientists who don't subscribe to the left wing doomsday cult with their latest superstitious predictions.
Once again, the CSIRO and NASA are singing from the same hymn book, and are quoting 'facts' from before their existence.
Which means someone is making things up, and these organisations are using these guesstimates as 'facts'.

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Reply #91 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 8:53am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 8:48am:

skippy. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 8:28am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 7:27am:

skippy. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:20pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:16pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:02pm:

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via Doctor Jolly:

Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist

"Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist..."

Eh

... ah thoughts he said the world actually warmed up the last hundred odd years ?

Doctor Jolly

please give a reference to "every scientist" who claims the world is currently warming.

.

.

You may like to go with NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO, for starters.

Yes, who do I believe? the CSIRO and NASA or a fake lord and Gloria Jones???????

Those two organisations are simply singing from the same hymn book and getting their 'facts' from the same source.
And they both quote world average temperatures from a time well before those organisations existence, and before temperatures were logged.
Which means their 'facts' are extrapolation and therefore are more educated guesses than 'facts'.

So chook prefers an old queen shock jock and a fake lord over the CSIRO and NASA, thanks chook, that tells us a lot about you and how your brain works.

Not quite skip, but close.
I prefer the scientists that speak on the old queen shock jocks number 1 in the country program instead, those that the wedwetting left seem to continually ignore.
They obviously hate it when Gloria trots out those inconvenient numbers and statistics that clearly show up the end of the world nervous nellies for what they are. Total panic merchants.
And the fake lord also gets his information from scientists who don't subscribe to the left wing doomsday cult with their latest superstitious predictions.
Once again, the CSIRO and NASA are singing from the same hymn book, and are quoting 'facts' from before their existence.
Which means someone is making things up, and these organisations are using these guesstimates as 'facts'.

Do you have some links or names of these so called "scientists" that speak on Gloria's show???? I want to see who it is you're basing your whole opinion on. You see we hear from the confusionalist lobby that there are scientists who don't believe in climate change, but we never see them, we only see the shock jocks and the tabloid tadpoles backed by fake lords trot out their lies. give us a link to a real scientist?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next
Reply #92 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 8:54am

astro_surf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 8:08pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 7:57pm:

Monckton said "Lord Monckton said he was given a pin by a US professor who felt he deserved one for his work and he sometimes wore it as a joke."

I guess you take it or not as he says. As I dont have anything against him, then my will to chase him over it is less than yours, so I would just take it as he says.

I am sure he is of the understanding that he will be scrutinized more than most, so I dont feel he is dumb enough to think he could get away with something so easily checked.

How come Monckton "debates" in front of an uneducated audience instead of, say, the International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics (IUGG) General Assembly, who recently met in Australia?

I think deep down you already know the answer to that question.

A better question would be why has Monckton has so many facilities cancel out after bookings have been made to hold the debate.
Who is putting pressure on these facilities to have them cancel?
And why did Monckton have to wait until the last minute to find out who he was going up against?
Was there a group of people drawing straws somewhere, and Deniss drew the short one.

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Reply #93 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 8:56am

skippy. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 8:53am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 8:48am:

skippy. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 8:28am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 7:27am:

skippy. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:20pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:16pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on Jul 20^th, 2011 at 2:02pm:

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Quote:

via Doctor Jolly:

Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist

"Monckton is arguing the scientific one. He is saying the world is cooling. Contrary to every scientist..."

Eh

... ah thoughts he said the world actually warmed up the last hundred odd years ?

Doctor Jolly

please give a reference to "every scientist" who claims the world is currently warming.

.

.

You may like to go with NOAA, NASA & the CSIRO, for starters.

Yes, who do I believe? the CSIRO and NASA or a fake lord and Gloria Jones???????

Those two organisations are simply singing from the same hymn book and getting their 'facts' from the same source.
And they both quote world average temperatures from a time well before those organisations existence, and before temperatures were logged.
Which means their 'facts' are extrapolation and therefore are more educated guesses than 'facts'.

So chook prefers an old queen shock jock and a fake lord over the CSIRO and NASA, thanks chook, that tells us a lot about you and how your brain works.

Not quite skip, but close.
I prefer the scientists that speak on the old queen shock jocks number 1 in the country program instead, those that the wedwetting left seem to continually ignore.
They obviously hate it when Gloria trots out those inconvenient numbers and statistics that clearly show up the end of the world nervous nellies for what they are. Total panic merchants.
And the fake lord also gets his information from scientists who don't subscribe to the left wing doomsday cult with their latest superstitious predictions.
Once again, the CSIRO and NASA are singing from the same hymn book, and are quoting 'facts' from before their existence.
Which means someone is making things up, and these organisations are using these guesstimates as 'facts'.

Do you have some links or names of these so called "scientists" that speak on Gloria's show???? I want to see who it is you're basing your whole opinion on. You see we hear from the confusionalist lobby that there are scientists who don't believe in climate change, but we never see them, we only see the shock jocks and the tabloid tadpoles backed by fake lords trot out their lies. give us a link to a real scientist?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

How about you go to the 2GB website and go from there skip.
Or perhaps even tune in and listen for once.

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Reply #95 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:05am

Oh dear skippy and astro goose.

CSIRO and the Clive Spash controversy
Recently CSIRO was in the news for allegedly suppressing the publication of a research paper that was critical of government policy on climate change.
In his paper, the author, Clive Spash, basically argues that an emissions trading scheme for greenhouse gases is not a good idea. CSIRO management asked Clive to withdraw the paper after it had already been peer reviewed and accepted by a journal.
The controversy made quite a splash in the media, particularly in the Australian newspaper (e.g. see here, here) and was reported around the world, with CSIRO copping a lot of flack.
Reading the available material, it seems to me that the story is a bit more nuanced than came across in the media.
The heart of the issue is CSIRO's Policy on Public Comment by CSIRO Staff. The policy basically says it encourages public statements by CSIRO researchers, subject to some constraints. The critical constraint in this case is "Policy Statement 3. CSIRO staff should not advocate, defend or publicly canvass the merits of government or opposition policies (including policies of previous Commonwealth governments, or State or local or foreign governments)."
In explaining this policy, the document says:
As representatives of CSIRO, staff should avoid making direct comment for or against government or opposition policy. In this respect, CSIRO policy may differ from some Australian universities; CSIRO differs in that it is a Commonwealth Government agency. This gives CSIRO the advantage that it can participate directly in the internal policy development processes of government.
As Commonwealth officials CSIRO employees are bound by the Government Guidelines for Official Witnesses before Parliamentary Committees and Related Matters – November 1989. These guidelines state that Commonwealth officials:
Should not advocate, defend or canvass the merits of government policies (including policies of previous Commonwealth governments, or State or foreign governments).

Now, there is something that I didn't hear in the media. The constraint is not specific to CSIRO - it applies to all Commonwealth employees. CSIRO staff may be researchers, but they are still Commonwealth employees

Read more.

http://cyllene.uwa.edu.au/~dpannell/pd/pd0162.htm

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Reply #96 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:13am

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:05am:

Oh dear skippy and astro goose.

CSIRO and the Clive Spash controversy
Recently CSIRO was in the news for allegedly suppressing the publication of a research paper that was critical of government policy on climate change.
In his paper, the author, Clive Spash, basically argues that an emissions trading scheme for greenhouse gases is not a good idea. CSIRO management asked Clive to withdraw the paper after it had already been peer reviewed and accepted by a journal.
The controversy made quite a splash in the media, particularly in the Australian newspaper (e.g. see here, here) and was reported around the world, with CSIRO copping a lot of flack.
Reading the available material, it seems to me that the story is a bit more nuanced than came across in the media.
The heart of the issue is CSIRO's Policy on Public Comment by CSIRO Staff. The policy basically says it encourages public statements by CSIRO researchers, subject to some constraints. The critical constraint in this case is "Policy Statement 3. CSIRO staff should not advocate, defend or publicly canvass the merits of government or opposition policies (including policies of previous Commonwealth governments, or State or local or foreign governments)."
In explaining this policy, the document says:
As representatives of CSIRO, staff should avoid making direct comment for or against government or opposition policy. In this respect, CSIRO policy may differ from some Australian universities; CSIRO differs in that it is a Commonwealth Government agency. This gives CSIRO the advantage that it can participate directly in the internal policy development processes of government.
As Commonwealth officials CSIRO employees are bound by the Government Guidelines for Official Witnesses before Parliamentary Committees and Related Matters – November 1989. These guidelines state that Commonwealth officials:
Should not advocate, defend or canvass the merits of government policies (including policies of previous Commonwealth governments, or State or foreign governments).

Now, there is something that I didn't hear in the media. The constraint is not specific to CSIRO - it applies to all Commonwealth employees. CSIRO staff may be researchers, but they are still Commonwealth employees

Read more.

http://cyllene.uwa.edu.au/~dpannell/pd/pd0162.htm

Where does it say clive is a climate change confusionalist??? just because he may be critical of policy does not in any way suggest he is a climate change confusionalist, lovey.
When you read my post for the FIRST TIME you'll see I'm asking for climate change confusionalists that are qualified scientists, keep up with the program, sweety.

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Reply #97 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:17am

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:05am:

Oh dear skippy and astro goose.

CSIRO and the Clive Spash controversy
Recently CSIRO was in the news for allegedly suppressing the publication of a research paper that was critical of government policy on climate change.
In his paper, the author, Clive Spash, basically argues that an emissions trading scheme for greenhouse gases is not a good idea. CSIRO management asked Clive to withdraw the paper after it had already been peer reviewed and accepted by a journal.
The controversy made quite a splash in the media, particularly in the Australian newspaper (e.g. see here, here) and was reported around the world, with CSIRO copping a lot of flack.
Reading the available material, it seems to me that the story is a bit more nuanced than came across in the media.
The heart of the issue is CSIRO's Policy on Public Comment by CSIRO Staff. The policy basically says it encourages public statements by CSIRO researchers, subject to some constraints. The critical constraint in this case is "Policy Statement 3. CSIRO staff should not advocate, defend or publicly canvass the merits of government or opposition policies (including policies of previous Commonwealth governments, or State or local or foreign governments)."
In explaining this policy, the document says:
As representatives of CSIRO, staff should avoid making direct comment for or against government or opposition policy. In this respect, CSIRO policy may differ from some Australian universities; CSIRO differs in that it is a Commonwealth Government agency. This gives CSIRO the advantage that it can participate directly in the internal policy development processes of government.
As Commonwealth officials CSIRO employees are bound by the Government Guidelines for Official Witnesses before Parliamentary Committees and Related Matters – November 1989. These guidelines state that Commonwealth officials:
Should not advocate, defend or canvass the merits of government policies (including policies of previous Commonwealth governments, or State or foreign governments).

Now, there is something that I didn't hear in the media. The constraint is not specific to CSIRO - it applies to all Commonwealth employees. CSIRO staff may be researchers, but they are still Commonwealth employees

Read more.

http://cyllene.uwa.edu.au/~dpannell/pd/pd0162.htm

It says "This gives CSIRO the advantage that it can participate directly in the internal policy development processes of government" but yet cant have a peer-reviewed papers on the policies that it has direct development of.

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Reply #99 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:40am

skippy. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:00am:

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How about you go to the 2GB website and go from there skip.
Or perhaps even tune in and listen for once.

So you base your whole belief system on the opinion of people you cant even name?? they just appear on Gloria's show and you believe them?? OK, interesting. Huh

Can't remember everyones name skip, and neither can you.
And these people aren't believed because they turn up, they are beleived because they make sense.

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Reply #100 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:49am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:40am:

skippy. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:00am:

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How about you go to the 2GB website and go from there skip.
Or perhaps even tune in and listen for once.

So you base your whole belief system on the opinion of people you cant even name?? they just appear on Gloria's show and you believe them?? OK, interesting. Huh

Can't remember everyones name skip, and neither can you.
And these people aren't believed because they turn up, they are beleived because they make sense.

that's OK I just wanted to see why you are a climate change denier, I understand now,you believe " people that appear on Gloria's show who SAY they are climate scientists" but you cant even name them, yep ,sounds great.

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Reply #101 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:54am

kingofthecastle wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 9:05am:

Oh dear skippy and astro goose.

CSIRO and the Clive Spash controversy
Recently CSIRO was in the news for allegedly suppressing the publication of a research paper that was critical of government policy on climate change.
In his paper, the author, Clive Spash, basically argues that an emissions trading scheme for greenhouse gases is not a good idea. CSIRO management asked Clive to withdraw the paper after it had already been peer reviewed and accepted by a journal.
The controversy made quite a splash in the media, particularly in the Australian newspaper (e.g. see here, here) and was reported around the world, with CSIRO copping a lot of flack.
Reading the available material, it seems to me that the story is a bit more nuanced than came across in the media.
The heart of the issue is CSIRO's Policy on Public Comment by CSIRO Staff. The policy basically says it encourages public statements by CSIRO researchers, subject to some constraints. The critical constraint in this case is "Policy Statement 3. CSIRO staff should not advocate, defend or publicly canvass the merits of government or opposition policies (including policies of previous Commonwealth governments, or State or local or foreign governments)."
In explaining this policy, the document says:
As representatives of CSIRO, staff should avoid making direct comment for or against government or opposition policy. In this respect, CSIRO policy may differ from some Australian universities; CSIRO differs in that it is a Commonwealth Government agency. This gives CSIRO the advantage that it can participate directly in the internal policy development processes of government.
As Commonwealth officials CSIRO employees are bound by the Government Guidelines for Official Witnesses before Parliamentary Committees and Related Matters – November 1989. These guidelines state that Commonwealth officials:
Should not advocate, defend or canvass the merits of government policies (including policies of previous Commonwealth governments, or State or foreign governments).

Now, there is something that I didn't hear in the media. The constraint is not specific to CSIRO - it applies to all Commonwealth employees. CSIRO staff may be researchers, but they are still Commonwealth employees

Read more.

http://cyllene.uwa.edu.au/~dpannell/pd/pd0162.htm

Can't have dissenters in the CSIRO ranks King.
This scientist must learn to toe the party line, or else the left wing bedwetters in the organisation will have him sacked.

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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #103 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 10:33am Entertaining watch. Lord Monkton was very quick with a few of the journalists, and it was nice to see him return fire to them utilising their own spin.
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kingofthecastle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 585	Re: Monckton and Dennis - Dennis squished, next Reply #104 - Jul 21^st, 2011 at 10:35am Verge wrote on Jul 21^st, 2011 at 10:33am: Entertaining watch. Lord Monkton was very quick with a few of the journalists, and it was nice to see him return fire to them utilising their own spin. Australian journalists are fourth rate.
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