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Reply #15 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 11:52am
 
astro_surf wrote on Jul 30th, 2011 at 3:33pm:
[quote author=Baronvonrort link=1311898068/0#8 date=1311917497]

Are you suggesting we hunt down those who have websites exposing the truth about Islam?/quote]

They should certainly be monitored more closely, they have become the terrorists they claim to despise.

But, no, what we should be doing is marginalising and ostracising such hate-speech for what it is expose it for the hate-filled ideology that it is and stop giving people like you oxygen in the media and the political dialogue.


Can you cite any evidence websites like the religion of peace or jihad watch have become terrorists like you claimed?
Cite where these websites call for violence against muslims!

Robert spencer wrote
Quote:
Any hate in my books comes from muslim sources quoted,not from me.Cries of hatred and bigotry are effectively used by muslim advocacy groups (islamic apologists) to stifle debate about the terrorist threat.
It is not an act of hatred against muslims to point out the depradations of Jihad ideology.
It is a peculiar species of displacement and projection to accuse someone who exposes the hatred of one group of hatred himself

The dopey leftard Islamic apologists like you are shooting the messenger without reading the message!
Link- http://www.jihadwatch.org/about-robert-spencer.html
You accused this guy of becoming a terrorist cite where he calls for violence against muslims you liar!

From The Religion of Peace
Quote:
We strongly condemn any attempt to harm or harass any muslim anywhere in the world because of their religion.
We also denounce any act of vandalism against mosques or other property,including juvenile attempts to offend muslims by desecrating the Quran(The best way of discrediting the Quran is to tell non muslims what it actually says about them

Link-http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AboutSite.htm
You claimed the religion of peace has become terrorist cite where they call for violence against muslims you liar!

Jihad report july 23-29
Jihad attacks - 39
Allah Akbar - 6
Dead bodies - 163
Critically injured - 294

Monthly Jihad report June 2011
Jihad attacks - 184
Countries - 18
Religions - 5
Dead Bodies 930
Critically injured - 1527
Stats from - www.thereligionofpeace.com

About 2500 people getting killed or injured every month by muslims doing Jihad in about 18 countires around the world and leftard Islamic apologists like you accuse the people who report these facts of being terrorists despite the fact they have made it very clear on their websites they do not condone attacks against muslims.

People like me only expose the hatred towards non muslims that Islam preaches yet you accuse me of hatred!
Here is a Imam saying its OK for muslims to kill ahmadi muslims and plunder their wealth.
Who is guilty of hatred here me or the imam telling his flock its halal to kill ahmadi muslims?
A classic example of Islamic hatred that is ignored by morally bankrupt leftard islamic apologists yet these apologists are righteous enough to accuse those who expose this hatred as extremists from the right.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N-7qeENdDI
Plenty of hatred coming from this imam yet the leftard apologists have their heads in the sand when they ignore this to attack the right.
3 Ahmadi muslims were killed after this Imam said it was ok to kill the ahamdi!

Idiotic leftards also use words like Islamophobia-
Islam is an ideology do they realise it is a fallacy that you can be phobic of an ideology?
Phobia's are a mdeical condition are the left suggesting those who dont like Islam need medical treatment?

Astro you are a morally bankrupt Islamic apologist!
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Reply #16 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:14am
 
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Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2011 at 11:52am:
Jihad report july 23-29
Jihad attacks - 39
Allah Akbar - 6
Dead bodies - 163
Critically injured - 294

Monthly Jihad report June 2011
Jihad attacks - 184
Countries - 18
Religions - 5
Dead Bodies 930
Critically injured - 1527
Stats from - www.thereligionofpeace.com

About 2500 people getting killed or injured every month by muslims doing Jihad in about 18 countires around the world and leftard Islamic apologists like you accuse the people who report these facts of being terrorists despite the fact they have made it very clear on their websites they do not condone attacks against muslims.






ISLAM as a philosophy, has perfected the projection of the guilt for evil [onto others].

i.e.
Moslems promote THEMSELVES as virtuous people, as is confirmed by their God, Allah, in the Koran...

"Ye [muslims] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."

Koran 3.110


ISLAM has perfected a philosophy which projects the guilt for every [imagined] source of evil in this world, onto every non-moslem person, or non-moslem influence.

In contrast, and in reality, whatever REAL evil ISLAM [itself] promotes, and encourages [in the form of violence against non-moslems], is sanctified [and is projected to the moslem community] as their 'good works'.

i.e.
The violent Jihad [against all entities deemed to be non-moslem], are portrayed by ISLAM as 'good works'.

e.g.
"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


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So in ISLAM, we have a deranged view of the world, being promoted by ISLAM.

Where, whatever is deemed to be un-ISLAMIC, is deemed to be evil, SATANIC, and worthy of total destruction.

And a total and unending warfare [against the un-ISLAMIC], as a religious devotion, is deemed to be 'good works'.

And EVERY form of murder and mayhem [against wilful 'unbelievers'] is portrayed as virtuous, IF SUCH VIOLENCE IS BENEFICIAL TO ISLAM's SUPREMACIST AIMS, or, if such violence is injurious to ISLAM's enemies.



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Q.
But what is the source of the inspiration of all of this projection of rage, against non-moslems, and against all things un-ISLAMIC ???

A.
ISLAM's foundation 'religious' texts ** are the source, the source of inspiration which motivates and encourages moslem violence against all non-moslems.

[** Please! Do not seek to ban the Koran and the Hadith. Instead, read and study those texts. And instead, seek to have our politicians remove ALL self declared moslems from our society. ]

e.g.
References in the Hadith, show that 'religious fighting' in Allah's cause, is an obligation for moslems, AND, THAT PARTICIPATION IN JIHAD BY MOSLEMS, MERITS GREAT PRAISE FROM THEIR GOD, ALLAH...


#1,
"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025


#2,
"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i


#3,
"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196


#4,
"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e.
In #4 above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is [the same as] a religious devotion.

n.b.
Jihad [religious fighting] is presented to a moslem [by ISLAM], is as if a moslem 'fasts and prays continuously'.

And ISLAM's 'religious' texts reveal that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.


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ISLAM, is not 'The Religion of Peace'.

ISLAM, IS THE RELIGION OF PERPETUAL OUTRAGE, against what is not ISLAMIC.

ISLAM, is the religion of sanctified rage, against what is not ISLAMIC.




To every devout moslem.....
ISLAM = = good.
And what is not ISLAM [everything which is not ISLAMIC, in influence] = = bad, and evil.

And therefore total warfare against every non-ISLAMIC influence, is not only justified, but religiously sanctified, and obligatory, for every good moslem.




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Reply #17 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:42am
 



Yadda's anti-Muslim obsession is getting dangerous - it is a worry that some on here continue to validate the deranged thought patterns of this Xtian Extremist Fundamentalcase!

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Reply #18 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:48am
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:42am:


Yadda's anti-Muslim obsession is getting dangerous!


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On the contrary, your [and many others] wilful disrespect and clear hatred, for what is the truth about ISLAM,
....is what is dangerous.



As i has challenged before....

If you are correct, and if i am mistaken, then tell me my error.

How am i misrepresenting ISLAM / moslems ???


What have i said, about ISLAM which is untrue ???

What have i said, about ISLAM, which is a 'misrepresentation' of ISLAM ???


Please tell me my error.




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Reply #19 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:58am
 


Yadda wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:48am:
Equitist wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:42am:


Yadda's anti-Muslim obsession is getting dangerous!


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On the contrary, your [and many others] wilful disrespect and clear hatred, for what is the truth about ISLAM,
....is what is dangerous.



As i has challenged before....

If you are correct, and if i am mistaken, then tell me my error.

How am i misrepresenting ISLAM / moslems ???


What have i said, about ISLAM which is untrue ???

What have i said, about ISLAM, which is a 'misrepresentation' of ISLAM ???


Please tell me my error.





The answer lies in a four letter word: hate!

Hate is wrong - did not your religious mentors teach you this!?


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Reply #20 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 11:12am
 
muslims hate you.  Is it 'wrong' for them too?
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Reply #21 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 11:32am
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:58am:
Yadda wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:48am:
Equitist wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:42am:


Yadda's anti-Muslim obsession is getting dangerous!


Sad




On the contrary, your [and many others] wilful disrespect and clear hatred, for what is the truth about ISLAM,
....is what is dangerous.



As i has challenged before....

If you are correct, and if i am mistaken, then tell me my error.

How am i misrepresenting ISLAM / moslems ???


What have i said, about ISLAM which is untrue ???

What have i said, about ISLAM, which is a 'misrepresentation' of ISLAM ???


Please tell me my error.





The answer lies in a four letter word: hate!

Hate is wrong - did not your religious mentors teach you this!?









Oh unequal one,

What you object to, is the exposure, of the hatred of non-moslems, promoted, and encouraged by ISLAM and moslems.



I quote the words of Robert Spencer....
Quote:

"......Any hate in my books comes from Muslim sources quoted, not from me. Cries of "hatred" and "bigotry" are effectively used by American Muslim advocacy groups to try to stifle the debate about [ISLAM's own hatred of all others]....."



http://www.jihadwatch.org/about-robert-spencer.html



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Oh unequal one,

DO YOU WANT HATRED ???

THEN LOOK TO ISLAM AND MOSLEMS....

AND YOU WILL FIND HATRED EXPRESSED ABUNDANTLY.....

THE HATRED OF NON-MOSLEMS, DRIPS FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS.....


e.g.  #1,
"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......PROMOTING, JUSTIFYING, ISLAM's VIOLENT JIHAD




e.g.  #2,
Quote:

Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
01/05/2007
In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".
The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy. There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550211/Cleric-preaches-that-violence-is-...




e.g.  #3,
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4




e.g.  #4,
Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&on...





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Oh unequal one SAID,
Quote:

The answer lies in a four letter word: hate!

Hate is wrong - did not your religious mentors teach you this!?





Oh unequal one,

Speaking the truth [about ISLAM, or anything else, and providing evidences] cannot seriously regarded as expressions of 'hatred'.



Psalms 15:1
LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2  He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
3  He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.



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Reply #22 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 12:15pm
 
... wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 11:12am:

[If] muslims hate you.  Is it 'wrong' for them too?





Of course not!

The hatred of non-moslems is 'sanctified' [made 'pure'] by ISLAM.

That is why non-moslems in Sharia jurisdictions are commonly persecuted and murdered - BY MOSLEMS.

And why so ???

Because non-moslems are non-moslems, and as such, they are hated by the moslem God, Allah.






"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other......"
Koran 48.029

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

i.e.
In Koran 5.51, ISLAMIC doctrine declares, that a moslem who makes a sincere friendship with an 'unbeliever',
1/ *is* an 'unbeliever',
2/ becomes an 'apostate'/rebel, and,
3/ is worthy of death, at the hand of good moslems.



THE RANK HATRED OF ALL NON-MOSLEMS, IS PROMOTED WITHIN ISLAM's FOUNDATION TEXT - THE KORAN.



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Reply #23 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 12:23pm
 
God loves all. We should be more like God and, as God wills, these peoples will not hate us so.

There is too much hate in this worlds. All peoples are loved by one God, bless Him, bless Him.

God is great!
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Reply #24 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 12:40pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 12:23pm:

God loves all.


We should be more like God and, as God wills, these peoples will not hate us so.

There is too much hate in this worlds. All peoples are loved by one God, bless Him, bless Him.

God is great!




LOL

In your imagination.





Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:


And all liars, and all of those who hate the truth, ARE CONDEMNED BY GOD.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


Jeremiah 9:1
Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!
2  Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men; that I might leave my people, and go from them! for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men.
3  And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
4  Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.
5  And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
6  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.


This generation of man, is condemned by God.

Why so ???

Because we hate God, we hate God's righteousness.

We hate truth, because truth exposes our own moral failings.



So, let us all pretend that God loves us all, and that God loves the wicked too.

Can't you see that that, is a lie ???

You could see that, plainly, if you read, if you studied, the Bible, God's word.




Psalms 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Jeremiah 17:14
Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.




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... wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 11:12am:
muslims hate you.  Is it 'wrong' for them too?




What is 'wrong', is for any 'group' to blindly and viciously dehumanise, demonise, vilify, stereotype, terrorise and preach hate for another 'group' as a whole, without due regard for the majority of 'good' individuals within that other 'group'.

It is also 'wrong' for one 'group' to seek to rob another 'group' of their traditional land, resources, transport routes and/or cultural heritage.

FFS, that's how senseless wars get started - and escalated and perpetuated!

What is needed, is for all such 'groups' to draw a metaphorical line in historical disputes and start genuinely-subscribing to moving forward on the basis of a fundamental moral code of mutual respect, freedom, responsibility, harmony, negotiation and prosperity - i.e. to: "live and let live" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"!

Sadly and ironically, it is those who currently most strongly subscribe to religions which theoretically preach the doGma of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", who seem to struggle most to live their lives accordingly!

It is these people who are most accustomed to fearmongering, hatemongering and warmongering (AKA 'terrorism') - and who would seek to perpetuate the mutual disrespect, antagonism and violence - and who must be shunned and weeded out by the moderates within their own 'groups'...

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Reply #26 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 1:02pm
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 12:43pm:
... wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 11:12am:
muslims hate you.  Is it 'wrong' for them too?




What is 'wrong', is for any 'group' to blindly and viciously dehumanise, demonise, vilify, stereotype, terrorise and preach hate for another 'group' as a whole, without due regard for the majority of 'good' individuals within that other 'group'.

It is also 'wrong' for one 'group' to seek to rob another 'group' of their traditional land, resources, transport routes and/or cultural heritage.

FFS, that's how senseless wars get started - and escalated and perpetuated!

What is needed, is for all such 'groups' to draw a metaphorical line in historical disputes and start genuinely-subscribing to moving forward on the basis of a fundamental moral code of mutual respect, freedom, responsibility, harmony, negotiation and prosperity - i.e. to: "live and let live" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"!

Sadly and ironically, it is those who currently most strongly subscribe to religions which theoretically preach the doGma of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", who seem to struggle most to live their lives accordingly!

It is these people who are most accustomed to fearmongering, hatemongering and warmongering (AKA 'terrorism') - and who would seek to perpetuate the mutual disrespect, antagonism and violence - and who must be shunned and weeded out by the moderates within their own 'groups'...




Sounds great.  But human nature does not permit it. 

Most societies around the world recognise this...but not the progressives.

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Reply #27 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 1:07pm
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 12:43pm:
... wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 11:12am:
muslims hate you.  Is it 'wrong' for them too?




What is 'wrong', is for any 'group' to blindly and viciously dehumanise, demonise, vilify, stereotype, terrorise and preach hate for another 'group' as a whole, without due regard for the majority of 'good' individuals within that other 'group'.






Oh unequal one,


Let us define the problem;

Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."




Who is a moslem ???

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, a philosophy which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those who do not believe, as they believe.





But, what about moslems ???

Are non-'radicalised' moslems good people ???

Is that, really a logical proposition ?

If it is true, that non-'radicalised' moslems are good people, then why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

It cannot be, imo.

Moslems, by associating themselves with ISLAM, are thereby, themselves, choosing to associate themselves with the a great evil, which ISLAM is, and with the great evil which ISLAM promotes.


So, in what way, is a person who chooses to associate them self with something which is extremely evil, good ???

There are no 'good' moslems.

There are no moderate moslems.

Why so ???

Because, there is no moderate ISLAM.


ISLAM, is ISLAM.

And a moslem, is a moslem.

Because remember, a moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."





If a person associates them self with ISLAM,
....they are associating them self, with the evil which ISLAM embodies and promotes.




FOR EXAMPLE....
Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA




Google it.



n.b.

"Killing infidels is a small matter to us"


'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'






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... wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 1:02pm:
Equitist wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 12:43pm:
... wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 11:12am:
muslims hate you.  Is it 'wrong' for them too?




What is 'wrong', is for any 'group' to blindly and viciously dehumanise, demonise, vilify, stereotype, terrorise and preach hate for another 'group' as a whole, without due regard for the majority of 'good' individuals within that other 'group'.

It is also 'wrong' for one 'group' to seek to rob another 'group' of their traditional land, resources, transport routes and/or cultural heritage.

FFS, that's how senseless wars get started - and escalated and perpetuated!

What is needed, is for all such 'groups' to draw a metaphorical line in historical disputes and start genuinely-subscribing to moving forward on the basis of a fundamental moral code of mutual respect, freedom, responsibility, harmony, negotiation and prosperity - i.e. to: "live and let live" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"!

Sadly and ironically, it is those who currently most strongly subscribe to religions which theoretically preach the doGma of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", who seem to struggle most to live their lives accordingly!

It is these people who are most accustomed to fearmongering, hatemongering and warmongering (AKA 'terrorism') - and who would seek to perpetuate the mutual disrespect, antagonism and violence - and who must be shunned and weeded out by the moderates within their own 'groups'...




Sounds great.  But human nature does not permit it.  

Most societies around the world recognise this...but not the progressives.




Dare I suggest that: if current internal power structures were reversed - such that women and male progressives disproportionately-occupied positions of power around the world - then, all of humanity would have a chance of looking forward to a peaceful, prosperous and sustainable future!

Alternatively, perhaps it is time to eradicate from our gene pool all those persons who have warmongering, greedy and destructive tendencies - before such people cause our species to attain premature Darwin Awards!?

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Reply #29 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 1:14pm
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 1:10pm:
... wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 1:02pm:
Equitist wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 12:43pm:
... wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 11:12am:
muslims hate you.  Is it 'wrong' for them too?




What is 'wrong', is for any 'group' to blindly and viciously dehumanise, demonise, vilify, stereotype, terrorise and preach hate for another 'group' as a whole, without due regard for the majority of 'good' individuals within that other 'group'.

It is also 'wrong' for one 'group' to seek to rob another 'group' of their traditional land, resources, transport routes and/or cultural heritage.

FFS, that's how senseless wars get started - and escalated and perpetuated!

What is needed, is for all such 'groups' to draw a metaphorical line in historical disputes and start genuinely-subscribing to moving forward on the basis of a fundamental moral code of mutual respect, freedom, responsibility, harmony, negotiation and prosperity - i.e. to: "live and let live" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"!

Sadly and ironically, it is those who currently most strongly subscribe to religions which theoretically preach the doGma of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", who seem to struggle most to live their lives accordingly!

It is these people who are most accustomed to fearmongering, hatemongering and warmongering (AKA 'terrorism') - and who would seek to perpetuate the mutual disrespect, antagonism and violence - and who must be shunned and weeded out by the moderates within their own 'groups'...




Sounds great.  But human nature does not permit it.  

Most societies around the world recognise this...but not the progressives.




Dare I suggest that: if current internal power structures were reversed - such that women and male progressives disproportionately-occupied positions of power around the world - then, all of humanity would have a chance of looking forward to a peaceful, prosperous and sustainable future!

Alternatively, perhaps it is time to eradicate from our gene pool all those persons who have warmongering, greedy and destructive tendencies - before such people cause our species to attain premature Darwin Awards!?




careful, your fascist tendencies are showing.  Quite incredible that you don't even bat an eyelid at calling for eradication of anyone with an opposing viewpoint to you - and have the gall to claim to fight for justice and equality.
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