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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #106 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:58pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:48pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:38pm:

That's just your opinion and you're entitled to it Bobby. I happen to disagree with it. And I still respect you as a scientist even though many other scientists would also disagree with you.

So do you believe as the bible describes that the Universe is only 6000 years old and the earth is the center of the Universe ??

That isn't what the Bible says at all (although certain man formed religions may state this).

Perhaps that is why I originally stated in here that evolution and religion are compatible in that they are man made constructs.

Yes it does. It states that earth is the center of the Universe. Galileo was persecuted by the Catholic church for disproving this using scientific evidence !!

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #107 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:58pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:30pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:16pm:

Evoultion is based on evidence but the bible contains not one scrap of evidence.
It's based on bronze age myths from primitive people who
knew nothing of dinosaurs or other galaxys -
they hardly knew even .00000001% of what we know now.

how come none of the true believers can tell us why Noah didn't save the dinosaurs ?? Didn't he build his boat big enough

LOL

What makes you think he didn't have any dinosaurs on board?

So where are the dinosaurs now ?? Cheesy

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The same place where the dodos went to .. Last Nail.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #108 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:02am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:57pm:

Have you actually bothered to read what's in your link Last Nail lol??

Yes I have. Your using a weak analogy to make your point.

And regarding the dodo let us see the history of this animal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/driven-to-extinction-who-killed-the-do...

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Driven to extinction: Who killed the Dodo?

Its name has passed into common parlance as a byword for obsolescence. But now a new expedition hopes to shed more light on an iconic bird. Steve Connor reports

For such an iconic animal, it seems strange that we know next to nothing about the dodo - except, of course, that it is dead. We don't know how it lived, what it ate, how many eggs it sat on or even whether it was fat or thin.

But that could all change with a scientific expedition just begun in Mauritius, the remote island in the Indian Ocean where the dodo lived for millions of years before being driven to extinction in the late 17th century, just 80 years after it was sighted by European sailors.

British and Dutch scientists have joined forces to excavate a unique dodo burial ground where the bones of hundreds and possibly thousands of birds have been preserved in marshland for more than 10,000 years. It will be the first time scientists have had access to well-preserved dodo remains that have remained untouched. At last, some light maybe shed on a mysterious and emblematic creature that has come to epitomise how easy it is for man to wipe out a species.......

So how long ago did the dinosaurs become extinct ?? Seems like well before Noah's time

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #109 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:06am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:48pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:38pm:

That's just your opinion and you're entitled to it Bobby. I happen to disagree with it. And I still respect you as a scientist even though many other scientists would also disagree with you.

So do you believe as the bible describes that the Universe is only 6000 years old and the earth is the center of the Universe ??

That isn't what the Bible says at all (although certain man formed religions may state this).

Perhaps that is why I originally stated in here that evolution and religion are compatible in that they are man made constructs.

Yes it does. It states that earth is the center of the Universe. Galileo was persecuted by the Catholic church for disproving this using scientific evidence !!

Nowhere in the BIBLE does it state that the earth is at the centre of the universe. This was something believed by the RELIGIOUS teachings of the CATHOLIC CHURCH at that time.

Galileo was imprisoned for teaching otherwise during the Inquisition period and was forced to recant his teachings about the universe.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #110 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:13am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:02am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:57pm:

Have you actually bothered to read what's in your link Last Nail lol??

Yes I have. Your using a weak analogy to make your point.

And regarding the dodo let us see the history of this animal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/driven-to-extinction-who-killed-the-do...

Quote:

Driven to extinction: Who killed the Dodo?

Its name has passed into common parlance as a byword for obsolescence. But now a new expedition hopes to shed more light on an iconic bird. Steve Connor reports

For such an iconic animal, it seems strange that we know next to nothing about the dodo - except, of course, that it is dead. We don't know how it lived, what it ate, how many eggs it sat on or even whether it was fat or thin.

But that could all change with a scientific expedition just begun in Mauritius, the remote island in the Indian Ocean where the dodo lived for millions of years before being driven to extinction in the late 17th century, just 80 years after it was sighted by European sailors.

British and Dutch scientists have joined forces to excavate a unique dodo burial ground where the bones of hundreds and possibly thousands of birds have been preserved in marshland for more than 10,000 years. It will be the first time scientists have had access to well-preserved dodo remains that have remained untouched. At last, some light maybe shed on a mysterious and emblematic creature that has come to epitomise how easy it is for man to wipe out a species.......

So how long ago did the dinosaurs become extinct ?? Seems like well before Noah's time

LOL

Dodos and dinosaurs are now extinct. That was my point.

Incidentally .. your original question was why is it that Noah didn't have any dinosaurs on the ark .. remember? I then asked you .. what makes you think that he didn't .. and you replied that if it were true .. then where are these dinosaurs today?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #111 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:17am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:06am:

Galileo was imprisoned for teaching otherwise during the Inquisition period and was forced to recant his teachings about the universe.

Psalm 93:1
"(...) the world also is established, that it cannot be moved."

Psalm 104:5
"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."

1 Chronicles 16:30
"(...) the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."

Ecclesiastes 1:5,
"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his
place where he arose."

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #112 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:19am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:13am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:02am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:57pm:

Have you actually bothered to read what's in your link Last Nail lol??

Yes I have. Your using a weak analogy to make your point.

And regarding the dodo let us see the history of this animal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/driven-to-extinction-who-killed-the-do...

Quote:

Driven to extinction: Who killed the Dodo?

Its name has passed into common parlance as a byword for obsolescence. But now a new expedition hopes to shed more light on an iconic bird. Steve Connor reports

For such an iconic animal, it seems strange that we know next to nothing about the dodo - except, of course, that it is dead. We don't know how it lived, what it ate, how many eggs it sat on or even whether it was fat or thin.

But that could all change with a scientific expedition just begun in Mauritius, the remote island in the Indian Ocean where the dodo lived for millions of years before being driven to extinction in the late 17th century, just 80 years after it was sighted by European sailors.

British and Dutch scientists have joined forces to excavate a unique dodo burial ground where the bones of hundreds and possibly thousands of birds have been preserved in marshland for more than 10,000 years. It will be the first time scientists have had access to well-preserved dodo remains that have remained untouched. At last, some light maybe shed on a mysterious and emblematic creature that has come to epitomise how easy it is for man to wipe out a species.......

So how long ago did the dinosaurs become extinct ?? Seems like well before Noah's time

LOL

Dodos and dinosaurs are now extinct. That was my point.

Incidentally .. your original question was why is it that Noah didn't have any dinosaurs on the ark .. remember? I then asked you .. what makes you think that he didn't .. and you replied that if it were true .. then where are these dinosaurs today?

yes but when did the dinosaurs become extinct ??

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #113 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:26am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:17am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:06am:

Galileo was imprisoned for teaching otherwise during the Inquisition period and was forced to recant his teachings about the universe.

Psalm 93:1
"(...) the world also is established, that it cannot be moved."

Psalm 104:5
"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."

1 Chronicles 16:30
"(...) the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."

Ecclesiastes 1:5,
"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his
place where he arose."

Last Nail .. a couple of things:

>> sighs and takes a deep breath <<

1) Do you not know the difference btwn the words EARTH and WORLD???

2) Do you not know that even today we STILL refer to sunrise???

3) Do you not know the difference btwn the words MOVED and REMOVED???

Come on .. if you're gonna start quoting Bible verses at me .. verses you've never seen or read before in your life and which you've obviously googled .. you're gonna lose this argument .. and badly.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #114 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:29am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:26am:

Come on .. if you're gonna start quoting Bible verses at me .. verses you've never seen or read before in your life and which you've obviously googled .. you're gonna lose this argument .. and badly.

I doubt that... When Biblical verses are used by every fake preacher and half-wit to mean whatever they want them to mean...

You'd be just another in an endless line of those who'd think they've apprehended their 'true' meaning.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #115 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:33am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:26am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:17am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:06am:

Galileo was imprisoned for teaching otherwise during the Inquisition period and was forced to recant his teachings about the universe.

Psalm 93:1
"(...) the world also is established, that it cannot be moved."

Psalm 104:5
"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."

1 Chronicles 16:30
"(...) the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."

Ecclesiastes 1:5,
"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his
place where he arose."

Last Nail .. a couple of things:

>> sighs and takes a deep breath <<

1) Do you not know the difference btwn the words EARTH and WORLD???

2) Do you not know that even today we STILL refer to sunrise???

3) Do you not know the difference btwn the words MOVED and REMOVED???

Come on .. if you're gonna start quoting Bible verses at me .. verses you've never seen or read before in your life and which you've obviously googled .. you're gonna lose this argument .. and badly.

you're just redefining the definition of words to suit your silly arguments. What does the 'world' actually mean ?? Is there a description in your bible of the planet line up of our solar system or is that excluded from your naive definition of it ??

And I asked you before to give me the period of time when the dinosaurs become extinct. Is that so hard for you ??

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #116 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:35am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:29am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:26am:

Come on .. if you're gonna start quoting Bible verses at me .. verses you've never seen or read before in your life and which you've obviously googled .. you're gonna lose this argument .. and badly.

I doubt that... When Biblical verses are used by every fake preacher and half-wit to mean whatever they want them to mean...

You'd be just another in an endless line of those who'd think they've apprehended their 'true' meaning.

Actually .. if you take a closer look .. you will find that only when bits and pieces of the Bible are taken and are quoted/used out of context .. you will end up with confusion/contradiction.

Just take a look at Last Nail's Bible verse laden post above .. it proves my point perfectly.

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Reply #117 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:38am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/4588289/The-Vatican-claims-Darwins-theo...

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The Vatican claims Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with Christianity
The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution should not have been dismissed and claimed it is compatible with the Christian view of Creation.

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Reply #118 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:39am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:35am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:29am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:26am:

Come on .. if you're gonna start quoting Bible verses at me .. verses you've never seen or read before in your life and which you've obviously googled .. you're gonna lose this argument .. and badly.

I doubt that... When Biblical verses are used by every fake preacher and half-wit to mean whatever they want them to mean...

You'd be just another in an endless line of those who'd think they've apprehended their 'true' meaning.

Actually .. if you take a closer look .. you will find that only when bits and pieces of the Bible are taken and are quoted/used out of context .. you will end up with confusion/contradiction.

Please don't tell me you have the academic prowess to discern the contextual meaning of Biblical texts, having absorbed it all and 'discovered' their holistic 'true' meaning...

Cos that really would be the definition of 'insane religious nutjob'

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #119 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:40am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:29am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:26am:

Come on .. if you're gonna start quoting Bible verses at me .. verses you've never seen or read before in your life and which you've obviously googled .. you're gonna lose this argument .. and badly.

I doubt that... When Biblical verses are used by every fake preacher and half-wit to mean whatever they want them to mean...

You'd be just another in an endless line of those who'd think they've apprehended their 'true' meaning.

bible bashers have a whole lot of excuses to rationalize what is written in their bible. Here are some of them.

those words don't actually mean what they say !!

you are suppose to interpret that passage metaphorically !!

you are not supposed to interpret that passage literally !!

It was ok to murder and rape people because those times were different

Only a theologian can interpret it

And this one is the one that gets used the most

You are quoting that verse out of context

Wink

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