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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #120 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:42am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:33am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:26am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:17am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:06am:
Galileo was imprisoned for teaching otherwise during the Inquisition period and was forced to recant his teachings about the universe.


Psalm 93:1
"(...) the world also is established, that it cannot be moved."

Psalm 104:5
"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."

1 Chronicles 16:30
"(...) the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."

Ecclesiastes 1:5,
"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his
place where he arose."


Last Nail .. a couple of things:

>> sighs and takes a deep breath <<

1) Do you not know the difference btwn the words EARTH and WORLD???

2) Do you not know that even today we STILL refer to sunrise???

3) Do you not know the difference btwn the words MOVED and REMOVED???

Come on .. if you're gonna start quoting Bible verses at me .. verses you've never seen or read before in your life and which you've obviously googled .. you're gonna lose this argument .. and badly.


you're just redefining the definition of words to suit your silly arguments. What does the 'world' actually mean ?? Is there a description in your bible of the planet line up of our solar system or is that excluded from your naive definition of it ??



No .. I've actually highlighted YOUR MISTAKES! You obviously don't know much about the Bible .. do you? Even so .. you feel you can sit there and quote it out of context and without any idea of what it is you are quoting. You can continue to do so if you so desire .. but it will only enable and empower me to make you look rather stupid.

So .. by all means .. please continue to quote the Bible at me.
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #121 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:45am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:35am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:29am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:26am:
Come on .. if you're gonna start quoting Bible verses at me .. verses you've never seen or read before in your life and which you've obviously googled .. you're gonna lose this argument .. and badly.

I doubt that... When Biblical verses are used by every fake preacher and half-wit to mean whatever they want them to mean...

You'd be just another in an endless line of those who'd think they've apprehended their 'true' meaning.



Actually .. if you take a closer look .. you will find that only when bits and pieces of the Bible are taken and are quoted/used out of context .. you will end up with confusion/contradiction.

Just take a look at Last Nail's Bible verse laden post above .. it proves my point perfectly.


Preachers do this all of the time. Go to any church service and preachers will quote different verses from different parts of the bible as part of their sermon Wink

But of course when a preacher quotes the bible out of context then it is always OK isn't it . They have a license to do it and nobody else does Wink
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #122 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:45am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:42am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:33am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:26am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:17am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:06am:
Galileo was imprisoned for teaching otherwise during the Inquisition period and was forced to recant his teachings about the universe.


Psalm 93:1
"(...) the world also is established, that it cannot be moved."

Psalm 104:5
"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."

1 Chronicles 16:30
"(...) the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."

Ecclesiastes 1:5,
"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his
place where he arose."


Last Nail .. a couple of things:

>> sighs and takes a deep breath <<

1) Do you not know the difference btwn the words EARTH and WORLD???

2) Do you not know that even today we STILL refer to sunrise???

3) Do you not know the difference btwn the words MOVED and REMOVED???

Come on .. if you're gonna start quoting Bible verses at me .. verses you've never seen or read before in your life and which you've obviously googled .. you're gonna lose this argument .. and badly.


you're just redefining the definition of words to suit your silly arguments. What does the 'world' actually mean ?? Is there a description in your bible of the planet line up of our solar system or is that excluded from your naive definition of it ??



No .. I've actually highlighted YOUR MISTAKES! You obviously don't know much about the Bible .. do you? Even so .. you feel you can sit there and quote it out of context and without any idea of what it is you are quoting. You can continue to do so if you so desire .. but it will only enable and empower me to make you look rather stupid.

So .. by all means .. please continue to quote the Bible at me.

You're getting closer to the definition in my previous post.... Keep going, I reckon you've got it in you to get there. Grin
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #123 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:49am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:42am:
No .. I've actually highlighted YOUR MISTAKES! You obviously don't know much about the Bible .. do you? Even so .. you feel you can sit there and quote it out of context and without any idea of what it is you are quoting. You can continue to do so if you so desire .. but it will only enable and empower me to make you look rather stupid.

So .. by all means .. please continue to quote the Bible at me.


So how did the catholics get it so wrong when they have a direct connection to the creator ??

How can that be ??
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #124 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:57am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:39am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:35am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:29am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:26am:
Come on .. if you're gonna start quoting Bible verses at me .. verses you've never seen or read before in your life and which you've obviously googled .. you're gonna lose this argument .. and badly.

I doubt that... When Biblical verses are used by every fake preacher and half-wit to mean whatever they want them to mean...

You'd be just another in an endless line of those who'd think they've apprehended their 'true' meaning.



Actually .. if you take a closer look .. you will find that only when bits and pieces of the Bible are taken and are quoted/used out of context .. you will end up with confusion/contradiction.

Please don't tell me you have the academic prowess to discern the contextual meaning of Biblical texts, having absorbed it all and 'discovered' their holistic 'true' meaning...

Cos that really would be the definition of 'insane religious nutjob'


No .. nothing like that. I was merely stating a simple fact.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #125 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:57am
 
No answer Lisa ?

Some more history for you to add some context to those original quotes  Wink

Quote:
The medieval European belief in the concept of a fixed Earth and a Sun
orbiting Earth was based upon literal interpretation of a couple of
statements included in Bible verses.


Possibly the most important of these scriptural references to a
geocentric cosmological system was Joshua 10:12-13:

"Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up
the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight
of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the
valley of Ajalon.
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had
avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book
of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted
not to go down about a whole day."

By taking these verses literally, medieval theologists regarded them
as clear biblical (and thus established) evidence that indeed the Sun
was moving.

Additional biblical proof for a moving Sun was seen in Ecclesiastes
1:5, where it is said:
"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his
place where he arose."


Other biblical verses were interpreted as scriptural evidence that the
Earth is fixed and immovable:

Psalm 93:1
"(...) the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved."

Psalm 104:5
"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."

1 Chronicles 16:30
"(...) the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."


Upon these text passages from the Old Testament, theologians based the
doctrine of a fixed Earth with the Sun orbitting it. For example,
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621) referred to these passages,
when he became involved in the controversy about Galileo Galilei's
work. On 12 April 1615, he wrote in a letter, refusing Galilei's
scientific concept of the Sun being orbited by the Earth which proved
wrong the doctrine:
"I say that, as you know, the Council [of Trent] prohibits expounding
the Scriptures contrary to the common agreement of the holy Fathers.
And if Your Reverence would read not only the Fathers but also the
commentaries of modern writers on Genesis, Psalms, Ecclesiastes and
Josue, you would find that all agree in explaining literally (ad
litteram) that the sun is in the heavens and moves swiftly around the
earth, and that the earth is far from the heavens and stands immobile
in the center of the universe."

And even reformer Martin Luther was still a man of medieval
Scripture-based cosmology. In 1539, he commented the ideas of German
astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus, who had made a case of a cosmological
system with the Sun in the center and all planets including the Earth
orbiting it, with the deprecative statement:
"Der Narr will die ganze Kunst Astronomiae umkehren! Aber wie die
Heilige Schrift anzeigt, so hiess Josua die Sonne still stehen und
nicht das Erdreich."
("That fool tries to distort the entire art of astronomy! But as the
Holy Scripture shows, Joshua commended the Sun to stand still, and not
the Earth!")


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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #126 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:59am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:49am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:42am:
No .. I've actually highlighted YOUR MISTAKES! You obviously don't know much about the Bible .. do you? Even so .. you feel you can sit there and quote it out of context and without any idea of what it is you are quoting. You can continue to do so if you so desire .. but it will only enable and empower me to make you look rather stupid.

So .. by all means .. please continue to quote the Bible at me.


So how did the catholics get it so wrong when they have a direct connection to the creator ??



Do they?
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #127 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:02am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:59am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:49am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:42am:
No .. I've actually highlighted YOUR MISTAKES! You obviously don't know much about the Bible .. do you? Even so .. you feel you can sit there and quote it out of context and without any idea of what it is you are quoting. You can continue to do so if you so desire .. but it will only enable and empower me to make you look rather stupid.

So .. by all means .. please continue to quote the Bible at me.


So how did the catholics get it so wrong when they have a direct connection to the creator ??



Do they?


that's what they claim Wink

and when did the dinosaurs become extinct ??

Is that before or after Noah ?
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #128 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:03am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:38am:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/4588289/The-Vatican-claims-Darwins-theo...

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The Vatican claims Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with Christianity
The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution should not have been dismissed and claimed it is compatible with the Christian view of Creation.




Didn't I originally state in here that religion and evolution were compatible? There you go!
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #129 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:04am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:03am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:38am:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/4588289/The-Vatican-claims-Darwins-theo...

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The Vatican claims Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with Christianity
The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution should not have been dismissed and claimed it is compatible with the Christian view of Creation.




Didn't I originally state in here that religion and evolution are compatible? There you go!


Yes but they didn't always believe this. But how can this be when their Bible has not changed ??
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #130 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:06am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 6:26pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm:
As regards religion and evolution .. both are compatible in the sense that they are man made constructs.



muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2011 at 9:38am:
Religion is probably a consequence of evolution.


Yep ..


Actually .. this is what I originally posted in here. Many thanks Bobby for proving me correct lol Tongue
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #131 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:06am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:06am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 6:26pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm:
As regards religion and evolution .. both are compatible in the sense that they are man made constructs.



muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2011 at 9:38am:
Religion is probably a consequence of evolution.


Yep ..


Actually .. this is what I originally posted in here. Many thanks Bobby for proving me correct lol Tongue


Then how come animals don't follow it ?? Cheesy LOL
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #132 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:07am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:04am:
Yes but they didn't always believe this. But how can this be when their Bible has not changed ??


Because RELIGION just like EVOLUTION ARE BOTH MAN MADE CONSTRUCTS.
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #133 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:09am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 12:38am:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/4588289/The-Vatican-claims-Darwins-theo...

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The Vatican claims Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with Christianity
The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution should not have been dismissed and claimed it is compatible with the Christian view of Creation.




We seem now to have come full circle - this is the article I quoted at the beginning of the thread.....
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #134 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:10am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:06am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 1:06am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 6:26pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm:
As regards religion and evolution .. both are compatible in the sense that they are man made constructs.



muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2011 at 9:38am:
Religion is probably a consequence of evolution.


Yep ..


Actually .. this is what I originally posted in here. Many thanks Bobby for proving me correct lol Tongue


Then how come animals don't follow it ?? Cheesy LOL


Huh???

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