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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #135 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:12am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:07am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:04am:

Yes but they didn't always believe this. But how can this be when their Bible has not changed ??

Because RELIGION just like EVOLUTION ARE BOTH MAN MADE CONSTRUCTS.

the word EVOLUTION is but the process is NOT man made where as both the word RELIGION and its processes are man made !! How many times do I have to say this ?

This is just another weak analogy of yours. It is pathetic when people have to resort to fallacious arguments in order to make their point Sad

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #136 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:13am

Frances wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:38am:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/4588289/The-Vatican-claims-Darwins-theo...

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The Vatican claims Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with Christianity
The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution should not have been dismissed and claimed it is compatible with the Christian view of Creation.

We seem now to have come full circle - this is the article I quoted at the beginning of the thread.....

Did you?? I didn't read the article in question. In fact I only just saw it a moment ago when Bobby posted it.

I still maintain my original stance .. ie that religion and evolution are compatible as man made constructs.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #137 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:14am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:10am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:06am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:06am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 6:26pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 6:08pm:

As regards religion and evolution .. both are compatible in the sense that they are man made constructs.

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 9:38am:

Religion is probably a consequence of evolution.

Yep ..

Actually .. this is what I originally posted in here. Many thanks Bobby for proving me correct lol Tongue

Then how come animals don't follow it ?? Cheesy

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Huh???

well animals like humans are a consequence of evolution so it only makes sense that they follow religion but they don't Wink

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #138 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:14am

Frances wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:38am:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/4588289/The-Vatican-claims-Darwins-theo...

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The Vatican claims Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with Christianity
The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution should not have been dismissed and claimed it is compatible with the Christian view of Creation.

We seem now to have come full circle - this is the article I quoted at the beginning of the thread.....

Yes full circle & we'll never get anywhere.
Let people believe whatever they want.

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to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #139 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:15am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:12am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:07am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:04am:

Yes but they didn't always believe this. But how can this be when their Bible has not changed ??

Because RELIGION just like EVOLUTION ARE BOTH MAN MADE CONSTRUCTS.

the word EVOLUTION is but the process is NOT man made where as both the word RELIGION and its processes are man made !! How many times do I have to say this ?

This is just another weak analogy of yours. It is pathetic when people have to resort to fallacious arguments in order to make their point Sad

Oi! You stated something different before and I corrected you. Stop changing the goal posts. Wait a sec.. let me grab the posts in question (so that you never try this stunt again).

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #140 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:16am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:01pm:

evolution is an observation of biological processes usually over long periods of time. It is not a man made construct !!

Oh really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construct_%28philosophy_of_science%29

In particular .. read this section:

Concepts that are considered constructs .. include .. scientific hypotheses and theories (e.g., evolutionary theory, gravitational theory), as well as classifications (e.g. in biological taxonomy) are also conceptual entities considered to be constructs.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #141 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:19am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:13am:

Frances wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:38am:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/4588289/The-Vatican-claims-Darwins-theo...

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The Vatican claims Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with Christianity
The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution should not have been dismissed and claimed it is compatible with the Christian view of Creation.

We seem now to have come full circle - this is the article I quoted at the beginning of the thread.....

Did you?? I didn't read the article in question. In fact I only just saw it a moment ago when Bobby posted it.

I still maintain my original stance .. ie that religion and evolution are compatible as man made constructs.

They are not compatible just because the Vatican says so. They are just like most bible bashers which change their views over time as science makes them and their old teachings less relevant. They are hypocrites and them and their old book is obsolete Sad

The Vatican also apologized for persecuting Galileo. The question is how did they get it so wrong when their bible hasn't changed ??

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #142 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:21am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:07am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:04am:

Yes but they didn't always believe this. But how can this be when their Bible has not changed ??

Because RELIGION just like EVOLUTION ARE BOTH MAN MADE CONSTRUCTS.

Bump for Last Nail.

Oh and you're right .. the Bible hasn't changed.

The constructs of evolution and religion however have.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #143 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:21am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:16am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:01pm:

evolution is an observation of biological processes usually over long periods of time. It is not a man made construct !!

Oh really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construct_%28philosophy_of_science%29

In particular .. read this section:

Concepts that are considered constructs .. include .. scientific hypotheses and theories (e.g., evolutionary theory, gravitational theory), as well as classifications (e.g. in biological taxonomy) are also conceptual entities considered to be constructs.

Bump for Last Nail.

the theory may be a construct but the observable processes are not a construct unlike the theory of God Wink

Con you make a distinction here or do you need me to spell it out more ??

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #144 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:23am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:21am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:07am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:04am:

Yes but they didn't always believe this. But how can this be when their Bible has not changed ??

Because RELIGION just like EVOLUTION ARE BOTH MAN MADE CONSTRUCTS.

Bump for Last Nail.

Oh and you're right .. the Bible hasn't changed.

The constructs of evolution and religion however have.

So when can we see an updated version of the bible or are you forever going to twist its meanings to suit your own twisted arguments ??

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #145 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:26am Last Nail .. you do realise that you have in fact just admitted that evolution and religion are both constructs and theories. Good stuff! I knew we'd get there eventually.
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #146 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:27am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:26am:

Last Nail .. you do realise that you have in fact just admitted that evolution and religion are both constructs and theories. Good stuff! I knew we'd get there eventually.

yes evolution is a scientific theory backed up by plenty of evidence and your evidence for the theory of God is......??

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #147 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:28am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:23am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:21am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:07am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:04am:

Yes but they didn't always believe this. But how can this be when their Bible has not changed ??

Because RELIGION just like EVOLUTION ARE BOTH MAN MADE CONSTRUCTS.

Bump for Last Nail.

Oh and you're right .. the Bible hasn't changed.

The constructs of evolution and religion however have.

So when can we see an updated version of the bible ..

Umm .. you better read my post again Last Nail. I stated that the Bible HASN'T CHANGED.

The point I was trying to make is that the Bible isn't what is changing here .. just the ideas of men as they develop over time through constructs like Evolution and Religion.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105986 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #148 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:29am Carl Sagan Quote: For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #149 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:33am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:28am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:23am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:21am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:07am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:04am:

Yes but they didn't always believe this. But how can this be when their Bible has not changed ??

Because RELIGION just like EVOLUTION ARE BOTH MAN MADE CONSTRUCTS.

Bump for Last Nail.

Oh and you're right .. the Bible hasn't changed.

The constructs of evolution and religion however have.

So when can we see an updated version of the bible ..

Umm .. you better read my post again Last Nail. I stated that the Bible HASN'T CHANGED.

Yes but why hasn't it changed ??

Science changes its books when new evidence comes to light that dispels previous theories. That's part of the scientific process but the Vatican refuses to change the bible even though it has been proven wrong Sad

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