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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #150 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:41am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:29am:

Carl Sagan
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.

You've quoted a scientist who was also a drug addict and an agnostic.

Many thanks Bobby.

Not sure what else I can say to you right now.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #151 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:41am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:57am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:39am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:35am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:29am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:26am:

Come on .. if you're gonna start quoting Bible verses at me .. verses you've never seen or read before in your life and which you've obviously googled .. you're gonna lose this argument .. and badly.

I doubt that... When Biblical verses are used by every fake preacher and half-wit to mean whatever they want them to mean...

You'd be just another in an endless line of those who'd think they've apprehended their 'true' meaning.

Actually .. if you take a closer look .. you will find that only when bits and pieces of the Bible are taken and are quoted/used out of context .. you will end up with confusion/contradiction.

Please don't tell me you have the academic prowess to discern the contextual meaning of Biblical texts, having absorbed it all and 'discovered' their holistic 'true' meaning...

Cos that really would be the definition of 'insane religious nutjob'

No .. nothing like that. I was merely stating a simple fact.

No, you're stating a naive opinion, being unaware of its irony.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #152 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:45am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:29am:

Carl Sagan
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.

You've quoted a scientist who was also a drug addict and an agnostic.

Many thanks Bobby.

Not sure what else I can say to you right now.

Another fallacy which is indicative of poor debating skills Sad

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #153 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:47am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:33am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:28am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:23am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:21am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:07am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:04am:

Yes but they didn't always believe this. But how can this be when their Bible has not changed ??

Because RELIGION just like EVOLUTION ARE BOTH MAN MADE CONSTRUCTS.

Bump for Last Nail.

Oh and you're right .. the Bible hasn't changed.

The constructs of evolution and religion however have.

So when can we see an updated version of the bible ..

Umm .. you better read my post again Last Nail. I stated that the Bible HASN'T CHANGED.

Yes but why hasn't it changed ??

Science changes its books when new evidence comes to light that dispels previous theories. That's part of the scientific process but the Vatican refuses to change the bible even though it has been proven wrong Sad

As I stated above .. the point I was trying to make is that the Bible isn't what is changing here .. just the ideas of men as they develop over time through constructs like Evolution and Religion.

Hence .. this is why it is the Vatican that is changing .. and not the Bible. As such .. the Vatican's rules/laws etc change and thus the Vatican's books/documents also change.

As regards Evolution .. you're right Last Nail .. just like Religion .. it also changes its books. See how similar they are?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #154 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:51am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:45am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:29am:

Carl Sagan
Quote:

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.

You've quoted a scientist who was also a drug addict and an agnostic.

Many thanks Bobby.

Not sure what else I can say to you right now.

Another fallacy which is indicative of poor debating skills Sad

Change the record Last Nail .. it's getting tiresome.

Oh and FYI .. I merely stated some FACTS on the fellow.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #155 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:52am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:47am:

As I stated above .. the point I was trying to make is that the Bible isn't what is changing here .. just the ideas of men as they develop over time through constructs like Evolution and Religion.

Hence .. this is why it is the Vatican that is changing .. and not the Bible. As such .. the Vatican's rules/laws etc change and thus the Vatican's books/documents also change.

As regards Evolution .. you're right Last Nail .. just like Religion .. it also changes its books. See how similar they are?

So why isn't the bible changed to reflect the correct evidence ??

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #156 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:53am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:47am:

As regards Evolution .. you're right Last Nail .. just like Religion .. it also changes its books. See how similar they are?

Evolution refers to change by natural selection.

If Religion changes (and it claims a mortgage on ultimate truth), does it mean that its previous permutations were lies? I so, what does it say of what you believe today?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #157 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:55am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:45am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:29am:

Carl Sagan
Quote:

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.

You've quoted a scientist who was also a drug addict and an agnostic.

Many thanks Bobby.

Not sure what else I can say to you right now.

Another fallacy which is indicative of poor debating skills Sad

Change the record Last Nail .. it's getting tiresome.

Oh and FYI .. I merely stated some FACTS on the fellow.

If there Is something that he said that you disagree with ?? Lets hear it ??

And bump to you.

Please answer the question. Did dinosaurs become extinct before or after Noah ??

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #158 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:56am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:47am:

As I stated above .. the point I was trying to make is that the Bible isn't what is changing here .. just the ideas of men as they develop over time through constructs like Evolution and Religion.

Hence .. this is why it is the Vatican that is changing .. and not the Bible. As such .. the Vatican's rules/laws etc change and thus the Vatican's books/documents also change.

As regards Evolution .. you're right Last Nail .. just like Religion .. it also changes its books. See how similar they are?

So why isn't the bible changed to reflect the correct evidence ??

Are you reading my posts at all Last Nail?

Why should the Bible change?? The Bible isn't at issue here.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #159 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:58am Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:56am: Why should the Bible change??. But it does and it has, many times, over the centuries.
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #160 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:58am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:53am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:47am:

As regards Evolution .. you're right Last Nail .. just like Religion .. it also changes its books. See how similar they are?

Evolution refers to change by natural selection.

If Religion changes (and it claims a mortgage on ultimate truth), does it mean that its previous permutations were lies? I so, what does it say of what you believe today?

They just make it up by trying to shove a square peg into a round hole whilst desperately trying to hold onto an obsolete, unsubstantiated book full of drivel Sad

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30089 Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #161 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:00am NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:58am: Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:56am: Why should the Bible change?? The Bible isn't at issue here. But it does and it has, many times, over the centuries. So you still believe that Genesis is an accurate account of the origins of the Universe ??
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #162 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:00am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:53am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:47am:

As regards Evolution .. you're right Last Nail .. just like Religion .. it also changes its books. See how similar they are?

Evolution refers to change by natural selection.

If Religion changes (and it claims a mortgage on ultimate truth), does it mean that its previous permutations were lies? I so, what does it say of what you believe today?

You're asking me about Religion now? What makes you think I'm even remotely interested in this particular man made construct?

If anything .. I'm very cynical about Religion.

I do believe in the Bible though.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #163 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:02am Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:00am: I do believe in the Bible though. Why?
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #164 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:02am NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:58am: Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:56am: Why should the Bible change??. But it does and it has, many times, over the centuries. Has it? Can you tell me more?
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