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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #165 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:02am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:00am:

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As regards Evolution .. you're right Last Nail .. just like Religion .. it also changes its books. See how similar they are?

Evolution refers to change by natural selection.

If Religion changes (and it claims a mortgage on ultimate truth), does it mean that its previous permutations were lies? I so, what does it say of what you believe today?

You're asking me about Religion now? What makes you think I'm even remotely interested in this particular man made construct?

If anything .. I'm very cynical about Religion.

I do believe in the Bible though.

So why don't you believe in burning witches and stoning people to death for committing adultery ?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #167 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:07am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:02am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:56am:

Why should the Bible change??.

But it does and it has, many times, over the centuries.

Has it? Can you tell me more?

The excision of parts of St Mark's Gospel, in the early years of Christianity.

The suppression (declarations of heresy) of gospels other than Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The multiple mistranslations of Greek to Latin to other languages over the centuries.

The reinterpretations of Biblical texts (particularly over the last 50 years) to play at making it 'relevant' to modern times.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #168 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:07am Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:03am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:02am: Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:00am: I do believe in the Bible though. Why? Does it matter? It does when you make claims about Biblical 'truth'.
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #169 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:10am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:02am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:00am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:53am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:47am:

As regards Evolution .. you're right Last Nail .. just like Religion .. it also changes its books. See how similar they are?

Evolution refers to change by natural selection.

If Religion changes (and it claims a mortgage on ultimate truth), does it mean that its previous permutations were lies? I so, what does it say of what you believe today?

You're asking me about Religion now? What makes you think I'm even remotely interested in this particular man made construct?

If anything .. I'm very cynical about Religion.

I do believe in the Bible though.

So why don't you believe in burning witches and stoning people to death for committing adultery ?

In the New Testament of the Holy Bible .. it was Jesus who spared the life of a sinful woman who was caught in the act of adultery. The RELIGIOUS hypocrites who were present however .. wanted the woman stoned.

Jesus told these self righteous hypocrites to go ahead and cast the 1st stone .. if they themselves had never sinned at all.

Needless to say .. no one could throw a stone at the woman .. and one by one they all left.

If we read what the Bible itself says .. and not what Religion says about it .. we get a clearer picture of what Jesus was all about.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #171 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:13am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:07am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:03am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:02am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:00am:

I do believe in the Bible though.

Why?

Does it matter?

It does when you make claims about Biblical 'truth'.

The reason why I asked DOES IT MATTER .. is because this topic is about the compatibility of religion and evolution.

In short .. we're getting personal and offtopic.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #172 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:14am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:12am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:10am:

Jesus told these self righteous hypocrites to go ahead and cast the 1st stone .. if they themselves had never sinned at all.

So you'd believe that today's criminals should be forgiven, not punished?

Read my post again .. and in its entirety. You've missed the point entirely.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #173 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:15am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:13am:

The reason why I asked DOES IT MATTER .. is because this topic is about the compatibility of religion and evolution.

In short .. we're getting personal and offtopic.

It's not getting personal to me. My questions are meant to elicit a sense of the depth of your understanding of what you claim to believe, not a denigration of who you are.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #174 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:17am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:07am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:02am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:56am:

Why should the Bible change??.

But it does and it has, many times, over the centuries.

Has it? Can you tell me more?

The excision of parts of St Mark's Gospel, in the early years of Christianity.

The suppression (declarations of heresy) of gospels other than Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The multiple mistranslations of Greek to Latin to other languages over the centuries.

The reinterpretations of Biblical texts (particularly over the last 50 years) to play at making it 'relevant' to modern times.

It is true that many players have attempted to tamper with the Bible over the years. That is all that's really happened though.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #175 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:18am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:12am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:10am:

Jesus told these self righteous hypocrites to go ahead and cast the 1st stone .. if they themselves had never sinned at all.

So you'd believe that today's criminals should be forgiven, not punished?

Read my post again .. and in its entirety. You've missed the point entirely.

I understand the text... The sinful woman (adulterer) was a criminal in the 1st century (Adultery being a crime then). Jesus suggested that a criminal should be forgiven not punished. Just because a crime in the bible is not a crime today, does not mean the text is relevant today with regard to its possible original meaning.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #176 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:19am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:15am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:13am:

The reason why I asked DOES IT MATTER .. is because this topic is about the compatibility of religion and evolution.

In short .. we're getting personal and offtopic.

It's not getting personal to me. My questions are meant to elicit a sense of the depth of your understanding of what you claim to believe, not a denigration of who you are.

But it is getting personal AND offtopic.

Also .. I do not wish to derail this very worthy topic.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #177 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:22am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:18am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:12am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:10am:

Jesus told these self righteous hypocrites to go ahead and cast the 1st stone .. if they themselves had never sinned at all.

So you'd believe that today's criminals should be forgiven, not punished?

Read my post again .. and in its entirety. You've missed the point entirely.

I understand the text... The sinful woman (adulterer) was a criminal in the 1st century (Adultery being a crime then). Jesus suggested that a criminal should be forgiven not punished. Just because a crime in the bible is not a crime today, does not mean the text is relevant today with regard to its possible original meaning.

In short .. you can read but you cannot understand the point of the passage.

This hint may help you .. think back to what this topic is about ie RELIGION.

Now read my post again ..

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #178 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:24am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:17am:

It is true that many players have attempted to tamper with the Bible over the years. That is all that's really happened though.

These 'players' were religious scholars and Church leaders of their day... As were many of the originators of the texts.

As you've never read an original manuscript, nor, I suspect, are you aware that significant changes have occurred over the centuries, you're not in a position to know whether the current versions are a true and accurate expression of the original biblical texts (which they are not) nor do you seem to be aware that the legacy of Jesus was hotly debated for nearly 300 years after his death with fatal consequences for the losers.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #179 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:25am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:22am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:18am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:12am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:10am:

Jesus told these self righteous hypocrites to go ahead and cast the 1st stone .. if they themselves had never sinned at all.

So you'd believe that today's criminals should be forgiven, not punished?

Read my post again .. and in its entirety. You've missed the point entirely.

I understand the text... The sinful woman (adulterer) was a criminal in the 1st century (Adultery being a crime then). Jesus suggested that a criminal should be forgiven not punished. Just because a crime in the bible is not a crime today, does not mean the text is relevant today with regard to its possible original meaning.

In short .. you can read but you cannot understand the point of the passage.

This hint may help you .. think back to what this topic is about ie RELIGION.

Now read my post again ..

Being intentionally obtuse only masks your pseudo-understanding of the subject.

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