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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #195 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:56am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:41am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:39am:

In short .. Jesus was making a statement about THEM .. ie the religious leaders of the time.

Seems Jesus wasn't all too thrilled with Religion either.

I don't think you understand the text I've referenced at all to be quite honest.

Why?? You keep ignoring the point of the text .. as well as its relevance to this topic.

Was he? Or were the Pauline-affected writers of the Gospel making a statement about the subservience of Judaic Law with regard to Roman Law?

As you well know (and insist on ignoring) .. the point of the passage is that Jesus confounded the pathetic and hypocritical religious leaders of the day. The very same hypocrites who attempted to use this woman as a trap hoping to trick Jesus. The Romans didn't permit the Jews to carry out their own executions, so if He had ordered her stoned they would have reported Him to the Romans; if He had said she should not be stoned, they would accuse Him of breaking Moses' law.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:54am:

Adultery was less of a crime under Roman law than Judaic law, so all the writers were trying to put across, was that Roman law was less severe than Judaic law and therefore more 'worthy' of obedience.

LMAO! There's a white elephant in the middle of the room but you refuse to see it. There's not much more that I can do for you Helian.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #196 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:01am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:28am:

Perhaps this will help illustrate my point a tad further.

John Chapter 8

VERSE 3- 5: - "The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?"

VERSE 7 - "And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."

In short .. Jesus was making a statement about THEM .. ie the religious leaders of the time.

Seems Jesus wasn't all too thrilled with Religion either.

This is the white elephant .. in case you're wondering.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #197 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:04am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:01am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:28am:

Perhaps this will help illustrate my point a tad further.

John Chapter 8

VERSE 3- 5: - "The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?"

VERSE 7 - "And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."

In short .. Jesus was making a statement about THEM .. ie the religious leaders of the time.

Seems Jesus wasn't all too thrilled with Religion either.

This is the white elephant .. in case you're wondering.

The 'white elephant' being?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #198 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:04am VERSE 6 - "This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground." And of course I am right .. now that I've revealed this missing verse lol Thanks for playing Helian. It was fun.
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #199 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:05am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:04am:

VERSE 6 - "This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground."

And of course I am right .. now that I've revealed this missing verse lol

And it is a white elephant because?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #200 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:07am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:41am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:39am:

In short .. Jesus was making a statement about THEM .. ie the religious leaders of the time.

Seems Jesus wasn't all too thrilled with Religion either.

I don't think you understand the text I've referenced at all to be quite honest.

Why?? You keep ignoring the point of the text .. as well as its relevance to this topic.

Was he? Or were the Pauline-affected writers of the Gospel making a statement about the subservience of Judaic Law with regard to Roman Law?

As you well know (and insist on ignoring) .. the point of the passage is that Jesus confounded the pathetic and hypocritical religious leaders of the day. The very same hypocrites who attempted to use this woman as a trap hoping to trick Jesus. The Romans didn't permit the Jews to carry out their own executions, so if He had ordered her stoned they would have reported Him to the Romans; if He had said she should not be stoned, they would accuse Him of breaking Moses' law.

Bump for Helian. Happy reading!

I totally enjoyed revealing my missing verse to you at the very end. Incidentally .. it's a technique I often use when I debate people who google Bible "stuff" and have no idea what they are on about. You would do well to remember this for next time.

Ok .. night all and sleep well.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #201 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:16am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:07am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:41am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 2:39am:

In short .. Jesus was making a statement about THEM .. ie the religious leaders of the time.

Seems Jesus wasn't all too thrilled with Religion either.

I don't think you understand the text I've referenced at all to be quite honest.

Why?? You keep ignoring the point of the text .. as well as its relevance to this topic.

Was he? Or were the Pauline-affected writers of the Gospel making a statement about the subservience of Judaic Law with regard to Roman Law?

As you well know (and insist on ignoring) .. the point of the passage is that Jesus confounded the pathetic and hypocritical religious leaders of the day. The very same hypocrites who attempted to use this woman as a trap hoping to trick Jesus. The Romans didn't permit the Jews to carry out their own executions, so if He had ordered her stoned they would have reported Him to the Romans; if He had said she should not be stoned, they would accuse Him of breaking Moses' law.

Bump for Helian.

Oh and good night lol

You'll need to be more careful trying to play at being informed, Lisa.

Good reading matter for you would be biblical interpolations over the centuries... Where verses that previously did not exist appeared in later transcriptions and vice versa.... Such as that where Jesus wrote in the sand after the 'scribes and pharisees' attempted to 'tempt' Jesus.

You'll find quick enough that as Pauline Christianity took hold in Europe after the spilt with the Jerusalem Council the legacy of Jesus became increasingly pro-Roman with versions of the current texts altered accordingly with other Gospels excised altogether.

Being obtuse requires a sharp mind.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #202 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:23am All that ^^^ = irrelevant waffle. Oh and as such it's a tad annoying. Even so .. something tells me our discussions are going to be rather interesting from now on Mr Helian. It's dreadfully late. Sleep well and sweet dreams.
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #203 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:23am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:07am:

I totally enjoyed revealing my missing verse to you at the very end. Incidentally .. it's a technique I often use when I debate people who google Bible "stuff" and have no idea what they are on about. You would do well to remember this for next time.

Interesting... Are you saying your belief in the bible has taught you to be dishonest?

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #204 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:26am Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:23am: All that ^^^ = irrelevant waffle. No it reveals that the New Testament was not nor ever has been an unaltered final word on the life of Jesus. (i.e. not the 'truth').
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #205 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:31am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:23am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:07am:

I totally enjoyed revealing my missing verse to you at the very end. Incidentally .. it's a technique I often use when I debate people who google Bible "stuff" and have no idea what they are on about. You would do well to remember this for next time.

Interesting... Are you saying your belief in the bible has taught you to be dishonest?

Not at all.

The Bible does however state in Matthew 10:16

Be ye wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

I merely withheld my missing verse in order to test you out. I must say .. it was funny watching you post so much irrelevant dribble and with such dedication too.

OK seriously now .. I'm gone. I've got to be up by 7 am. Good night (or should I say good morning).

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #206 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:36am Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 3:31am: I merely withheld that verse in order to test you out. So your belief in the bible has taught you to tell lies and half-truths? Like, say, the 'scribes and Pharisees' you describe as hypocrites? Does 'Being wise as a serpent' mean dishonesty to you?
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #209 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 8:20am

The bible is a translation of a feeling into a thought, a thought into a vibration on a chord that's picked up by air and thrown across space. The vibration was then picked up by organs mounted on the side of heads, (which, compared to cats and others really aren't to well designed). By way of teeny bones and tiny ducts the vibration is translated back into a thought , (by an organ quite capable of changing words and meanings to suit the new environment without conscious decision making). From there the thought is transcribed as a series of highly stylised pictures on paper. Then follows a 2000 year history of translation into other 'languages', 'modernisations', political correcting, revisions, reinterpretations and typos.

The bible doesn't change! Did you never play Chinese whispers?

If a god wanted to communicate with you, is this the method it would choose?

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