NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 11:40am:




helian,

That is the essential difference between us helian.



You say that it is an arrogance in any man, to seek to know God.

Whereas, i believe, i know, i arrogantly know, that God wants us to know him.







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Numbers 16:5
...the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy;...even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

Isaiah 44:21
Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
22  I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
8  For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 4:1
If thou wilt return, O Israel, saith the LORD, return unto me: and if thou wilt put away thine abominations out of my sight, then shalt thou not remove.

Jeremiah 15:19
Therefore thus saith the LORD, If thou return, then will I bring thee again, and thou shalt stand before me: and if thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth: let them return unto thee; but return not thou unto them.

James 4:8
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9  Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10  Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.







2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Lisa,
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Don't go - now I'll be forced to read through 16 pages
to find your answer to Nail's question. 

Yadda wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 11:53am:

You did not say you seek to know god, you claimed you knew god's mind (with particular reference to why he hides from us).

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:00pm:


you are guilty of what you accuse others of doing and that is quoting the bible out of context Isn't that typical of course.

And there is no evidence that Jesus even existed. It is just one of many fictional characters in the biblical equivalent of a Harry Potter novel

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:08pm:



helian,

I am no 'mind reader'.

The bible states that God hides himself, removes himself from us, because of our wickedness.





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Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.


The bible states, that to do righteousness, is to know God;

Jeremiah 22:16
...was not this to know me? saith the LORD.

What is 'righteousness' ???

Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.








Isaiah 45:19
...I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.



Amos 5:4
For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live:

Zephaniah 2:3
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

Psalms 27:8
When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Well, actually there's no direct evidence that Jesus existed... Even non-religious sources (i.e. Josephus) only records what the New Testament writers and others decades after the death of Jesus, wrote about him.

However, it is possible to perhaps infer from Biblical texts that Jesus existed. Why, for example, do the New Testament texts go to so much trouble (lie, even) to have Jesus born in Bethlehem as opposed to Nazareth? If he was a fictional character, wouldn't it have been easier just to have recorded Mary and Joseph as having been resident in Bethlehem in the first place?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 1:48pm:


Historically, there WAS a (or several) Roman censuses held during that period....mostly in April to July admittedly....which does tie in with the 'travelling to Bethelem' part of the birth story..

And there was actually a tomb found, which contained coffins listing names including Mary, wife of Joseph...Jesus, son of Joseph, James, son of Joseph etc...
Whether these are a) real inscriptions and b) actually refer to the family of the same Jesus who was mentioned in the bible (they are all fairly common names of that period), has been the source of some pretty nasty arguments in recent years...

Ok, granted this from wiki, which isn't all that reliable....but it's what I mean..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Family_Tomb