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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #15 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 11:17am

Frances wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 10:24am:

If you are saying that religion (and I am talking specifically about the Christian religion here, but comparisons with other religions could be interesting) is incompatible with evolution because of the creation story,

your argument only holds good if we are looking at Creationists, or Fundamental Christians, who are very much in the minority.

Even Dawkins sees a difference between "young-earth creationists", who he describes as ignorant, and mainstream Christianity.

Yadda is very much in the minority Grin

, and is a 'young earth' Christian.

What is modern Christianity, today ???

Many modern Christian churches don't even acknowledge the existence of their God!

2 Timothy 3:5
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #16 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 11:17am: Many modern Christian churches don't even acknowledge the existence of their God! I would suggest that any church which doesn't acknowledge the existence of God could not be said to be Christian. Were there any particular churches you had in mind?
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #17 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 11:35am

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 11:06am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 10:17am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 8:55am:

Evolution, is a theory.
Evolution, is a theory.
Evolution, is a theory.

Evolution is a scientific fact

.....the theory explains how it happens.

LOL

Don't be naive.

If anyone can prove a scientific theory is wrong that theory has to be discarded if you knew about science you would understand this fact.

Lots of evidence for evolution here-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

The church apologised to Darwin for misunderstanding evolution long after he died-
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Church officials compared the apology to the late Pope JP 2nd decision to say sorry for the vaticans 1633 trial of galileo,the astronomer who apalled prelates by declaring that the earth revolved around the sun.

The officials said that senior bishops wanted to atone for the VILIFICATION their predecessors heaped on Darwin in the 1860"s,when he put forward his theory that man was descended from apes

Read apology from Church to Darwin here-http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1055597/Church-makes-8216-ludicrous-8217...

The church spent all this time bagging Darwin and his theory of evolution then apologised what a bunch of hypocrites!

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #18 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 11:35am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 11:06am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 10:17am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 8:55am:

Evolution, is a theory.
Evolution, is a theory.
Evolution, is a theory.

Evolution is a scientific fact

.....the theory explains how it happens.

LOL

Don't be naive.

If anyone can prove a scientific theory is wrong that theory has to be discarded if you knew about science you would understand this fact.

Lots of evidence for evolution here-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

The church apologised to Darwin for misunderstanding evolution long after he died-
Quote:

Church officials compared the apology to the late Pope JP 2nd decision to say sorry for the vaticans 1633 trial of galileo,the astronomer who apalled prelates by declaring that the earth revolved around the sun.

The officials said that senior bishops wanted to atone for the VILIFICATION their predecessors heaped on Darwin in the 1860"s,when he put forward his theory that man was descended from apes

Read apology from Church to Darwin here-http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1055597/Church-makes-8216-ludicrous-8217...

The church spent all this time bagging Darwin and his theory of evolution then apologised what a bunch of hypocrites!

Baron,

I can't convince you.

Just like everyone else, you have to look at all of the available evidence [from both sides of an argument], and then come to your own conclusion(s), 'belief'.

If you want to believe that there is no God, because you cannot see him, that is for you to decide, for you to choose.

If you want to believe that evolution is not a theory, but that evolution is a scientifically proven fact, that is for you to decide, for you to choose.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30089 Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #19 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:13pm Frances wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 1:50am: OK then. Respnse number one. Now I'll have to wait and see if someone intelligent posts something.... what exactly do you want to hear idiot ?? maybe you should ask your local preacher for an intelligent comment
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #20 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:16pm

Frances wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 11:17am:

Many modern Christian churches don't even acknowledge the existence of their God!

I would suggest that any church which doesn't acknowledge the existence of God could not be said to be Christian. Were there any particular churches you had in mind?

Which God are you talking about ??

There are thousands of Gods created by humans. Take your pick Wink

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #21 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:18pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:02pm:

Baron,

I can't convince you.

Just like everyone else, you have to look at all of the available evidence [from both sides of an argument], and then come to your own conclusion(s), 'belief'.

If you want to believe that there is no God, because you cannot see him, that is for you to decide, for you to choose.

If you want to believe that evolution is not a theory, but that evolution is a scientifically proven fact, that is for you to decide, for you to choose.

which God are you talking about ??

Here is a list of 2800 Gods you don't believe in. All are invisible just like yours

LOL

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=285

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #22 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:22pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 8:55am:

Evolution, is a theory.
Evolution, is a theory.
Evolution, is a theory.

Evolution, is a theory.

duh people, duh!

So you believe the explanation in your stupid old book that says that the Universe is only 6000 years old ??

It would also mean that there are no distance objects that are more than 6000 light years away from us Cheesy

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #23 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:36pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 8:55am:

Evolution, is a theory.
Evolution, is a theory.
Evolution, is a theory.

Evolution, is a theory.

duh people, duh!

So you believe the explanation in your stupid old book that says that the Universe is only 6000 years old ??

It would also mean that there are no distance objects that are more than 6000 light years away from us

LOL

You are making assumptions, about circumstances.

About the speed of light.

But you, like scientists, are only human.

e.g.
If i fire a bullet, out of the barrel of a rifle, and the bullet coming out of the barrel is travelling at 3,000 feet / sec, can i assume that the bullet will still be travelling at 3,000 feet / sec, after it has travelled 500 yards ???

Hmmmm?

Regards the speed of light;
You are assuming that the speed of light is, and always has been a constant, throughout recorded history.

Can you PROVE that 'fact' ???

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #24 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:40pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:36pm:

You are making assumptions, about circumstances.

About the speed of light.

But you, like scientists, are only human.

If i fire a bullet, out of the barrel of a rifle, and the bullet coming out of the barrel is travelling at 3,000 feet / sec, can i assume that the bullet will still be travelling at 3,000 feet / sec, after it has travelled 500 yards ???

Hmmmm?

Regards the speed of light;
You are assuming that the speed of light is, and has been a constant, throughout recorded history.

Can you PROVE that 'fact' ???

The speed of light has been well and truly established by observation and experimentation. This is part of the scientific process which is not satisfied with some gibberish written in some old book.

Where is your evidence that the Universe is no more than 6000 years old ?? Please provide this evidence ??

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #25 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:44pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:40pm:

The speed of light has been well and truly established by observation and experimentation.

This is part of the scientific process which is not satisfied with some gibberish written in some old book.

Where is your evidence that the Universe is no more than 6000 years old ?? Please provide this evidence ??

Duh.

Read my question, again.

"Regards the speed of light;
You are assuming that the speed of light is, and always has been a constant, throughout recorded history.

Can you PROVE that 'fact' ???"

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #26 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:56pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:40pm:

The speed of light has been well and truly established by observation and experimentation.

This is part of the scientific process which is not satisfied with some gibberish written in some old book.

Where is your evidence that the Universe is no more than 6000 years old ?? Please provide this evidence ??

Duh.

Read my question, again.

"Regards the speed of light;
You are assuming that the speed of light is, and always has been a constant, throughout recorded history.

Can you PROVE that 'fact' ???"

so what was the speed of light 6000 years ago ??

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #27 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:57pm

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 9:38am:

Religion is probably a consequence of evolution.

If by that statement, you mean that people who need to create fantasies to explain the things they do not yet understand, are inclined that way because their brains have not evolved to the point where logic and evidence hold a greater importance for them than ritual and wishful thinking, then you may be right. Wink

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #28 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:57pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:40pm:

The speed of light has been well and truly established by observation and experimentation.

This is part of the scientific process which is not satisfied with some gibberish written in some old book.

Where is your evidence that the Universe is no more than 6000 years old ?? Please provide this evidence ??

Duh.

Read my question, again.

"Regards the speed of light;
You are assuming that the speed of light is, and always has been a constant, throughout recorded history.

Can you PROVE that 'fact' ???"

Google;

is the speed of light a constant

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #29 - Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:58pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:57pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 12:40pm:

The speed of light has been well and truly established by observation and experimentation.

This is part of the scientific process which is not satisfied with some gibberish written in some old book.

Where is your evidence that the Universe is no more than 6000 years old ?? Please provide this evidence ??

Duh.

Read my question, again.

"Regards the speed of light;
You are assuming that the speed of light is, and always has been a constant, throughout recorded history.

Can you PROVE that 'fact' ???"

Google;

is the speed of light a constant

so what was the speed of light 6000 years ago ??

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