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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #315 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:07pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

Just for the record :

I believe Jesus probably existed as an historical figure.

I believe he was not born in Bethlehem, so could not have fulfilled the requirements of Scripture for Messiahship.

I do not believe he considered himself the Messiah (or the 'Son of God').

I believe the Jesus story became the story of 'Christ' (Messiah) via Pauline doctrine.

I believe Jesus was virtually unknown in Palestine during his lifetime.

The Holy Bible begs to differ with your beliefs.

Depends on which bible you're referring to... What with all those additions and redactions, who knows what the truth is... The NT wouldn't be a good place to start looking for it (the truth that is)

How's John 8 1:11 going?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #316 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:08pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 11:45am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 11:28am:

I merely posted a verse from it and it was the verse itself which showed you up.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1312987029/195

Lisa not only is your excision irrelevant to the argument, you also demonstrated that you have only the most superficial of familiarity with Biblical text.

I refer you to
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1312987029/180#192

(i.e. "The Romans didn't permit the Jews to carry out their own executions").

You seem to be of the opinion that Romans did not permit Jews to carry out the death penalty.

You poor thing. You're STILL struggling to come to terms with the fact that I made a fool out of you last night.

I've recurringly stated to you .. READ THE BIBLE BEFORE you start quoting it to me.

Had you done this last night .. you would have seen that you were posting crap lol!

Ah well .. we live and learn eh Helian.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #317 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:10pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:07pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

Just for the record :

I believe Jesus probably existed as an historical figure.

I believe he was not born in Bethlehem, so could not have fulfilled the requirements of Scripture for Messiahship.

I do not believe he considered himself the Messiah (or the 'Son of God').

I believe the Jesus story became the story of 'Christ' (Messiah) via Pauline doctrine.

I believe Jesus was virtually unknown in Palestine during his lifetime.

The Holy Bible begs to differ with your beliefs.

Depends on which bible you're referring to... What with all those additions and redactions, who knows what the truth is... The NT wouldn't be a good place to start looking for it (the truth that is)

How's John 8 1:11 going?

The only additions and reductions I've seen are those which you've attempted to disguise in your posts over the past 48 hours.

Incidentally .. have you had any sleep?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #318 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:11pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:08pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 11:45am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 11:28am:

I merely posted a verse from it and it was the verse itself which showed you up.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1312987029/195

Lisa not only is your excision irrelevant to the argument, you also demonstrated that you have only the most superficial of familiarity with Biblical text.

I refer you to
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1312987029/180#192

(i.e. "The Romans didn't permit the Jews to carry out their own executions").

You seem to be of the opinion that Romans did not permit Jews to carry out the death penalty.

You poor thing. You're STILL struggling to come to terms with the fact that I made a fool out of you last night.

I've recurringly stated to you .. READ THE BIBLE BEFORE you start quoting it to me.

Had you done this last night .. you would have seen that you were posting crap lol!

Ah well .. we live and learn eh Helian.

As I said the 'text' you quoted was an interpolation... But, of course, you wouldn't know that.

You understand the bible the way a parrot understands what it means when it says "Hello".

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #319 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:13pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:10pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:07pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

Just for the record :

I believe Jesus probably existed as an historical figure.

I believe he was not born in Bethlehem, so could not have fulfilled the requirements of Scripture for Messiahship.

I do not believe he considered himself the Messiah (or the 'Son of God').

I believe the Jesus story became the story of 'Christ' (Messiah) via Pauline doctrine.

I believe Jesus was virtually unknown in Palestine during his lifetime.

The Holy Bible begs to differ with your beliefs.

Depends on which bible you're referring to... What with all those additions and redactions, who knows what the truth is... The NT wouldn't be a good place to start looking for it (the truth that is)

How's John 8 1:11 going?

The only additions and reductions I've seen are those which you've attempted to disguise in your posts over the past 48 hours.

Maybe you could ask Sappho about the John 8 interpolation.... You like her, don't you?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #320 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:29pm

Sappho wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 6:53pm:

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John 7:53 to 8:11: One of the most famous forgeries* in the Bible is the well-known story of the woman observed in adultery. It was apparently written and inserted after John 7:52 by an unknown author, perhaps in the 5th century CE. This story is often referred to as an "orphan story" because it is a type of floating text which has appeared after John 7:36, John 7:52, John 21:25, and Luke 21:38 in various manuscripts. Some scholars believe that the story may have had its origins in oral traditions about Jesus.
It is a pity that the status of verses John 8:1-11 are not certain. If they were known to be a reliable description of Jesus' ministry, they would have given a clear indication of Jesus' stance on the death penalty.

What say you about this one Lisa?

Bump for Lisa... It might help to explain the ribbing Helian is giving you atm.

To Helian,
I did find something which shows that the document could be, not necessarily a fogery, but definitely tampered with.

Your busy atm with Lisa, so we'll leave it there for now. Remind me next week and I'll dig it up again and tell you about it.

Ultimately though, all histories are tampered stories.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #322 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:32pm

Sappho wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:29pm:

Ultimately though, all histories are tampered stories.

That's true, but here's the thing... Few Christians (and no "neo-Christians") understand that about Biblical text.

Fundamentalism requires that they believe every word as if it were direct from a deity itself.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #323 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:35pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 9:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 12:08pm:

Lisa,
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Happy reading. Catch you all .. whenever.

Don't go - now I'll be forced to read through 16 pages
to find your answer to Nail's question. Cry

Bobby .. I'm back (but only for a little while).

I'm away on business atm and as such I'm pretty busy.

Now .. have you had a chance to read this topic yet?

No sorry - I was too busy.
I did reply to Gizmo though.
Can you find it?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #325 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:58pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:32pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:29pm:

Ultimately though, all histories are tampered stories.

That's true, but here's the thing... Few Christians (and no "neo-Christians") understand that about Biblical text.

Fundamentalism requires that they believe every word as if it were direct from a deity itself.

Ok... I concede the point... I'm satisfied that the letter I quoted is a forgery and I have the evidence to prove it so and that evidence is the history of the forgery itself.

It's quite a story, but bloody hard to find... amazing that Christians will use such letters as these and pass them off as real.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #326 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 11:02pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:50pm:

bump for Lisa

when exactly did the dinosaurs become extinct and why ??

was it before or after Noah's time Wink

Hi Nail,
We still can't get answers for simple questions like that.
Why won't the Bible believers just become rational for 1 minute
& accept that such a simple statement pulls their whole story apart?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #328 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 11:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 11:02pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:50pm:

bump for Lisa

when exactly did the dinosaurs become extinct and why ??

was it before or after Noah's time Wink

Hi Nail,
We still can't get answers for simple questions like that.
Why won't the Bible believers just become rational for 1 minute
& accept that such a simple statement pulls their whole story apart?

Yes they are so sure of their beliefs and bible but are dumbfounded when it comes to answering seemingly obvious questions

LOL

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