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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #375 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:26pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:07pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:46pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:39pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:15pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:10pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 12:57pm:

to have an theory, first you have to understand what something is.
that is why the only theory on god is, what exactly is god. No one can agree.

they know all about their God when it suits them and plead ignorance when it doesn't suit them Wink

You mean their version of god. My point, is no one seem to agree who or what god is.

that's right. Here is a list of Gods that christians deny Wink

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=285

More to my arguement, we don't know who or what god is. More what actually. If we find what, we can then work on who ;p.

if god is purely imaginary then there is NO scientific test to prove its existence.

That is correct.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #376 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:30pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:25pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:39pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:15pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:10pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 12:57pm:

to have an theory, first you have to understand what something is.
that is why the only theory on god is, what exactly is god. No one can agree.

they know all about their God when it suits them and plead ignorance when it doesn't suit them Wink

You mean their version of god. My point, is no one seem to agree who or what god is.

that's right. Here is a list of Gods that christians deny Wink

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=285

My God is bigger than their god.

That's all, i can say.

Not if the others are pantheists Grin

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #377 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 10:32pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:13pm:

I don't beleive god is imaginary. What is god is another question. Humans have to try and understand everything. In this case, perhaps god is simply a process.

then to which god are you referring to because there are at least 2500 different gods that people believe in ?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #378 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 10:33pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:07pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:46pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:39pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:15pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:10pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 12:57pm:

to have an theory, first you have to understand what something is.
that is why the only theory on god is, what exactly is god. No one can agree.

they know all about their God when it suits them and plead ignorance when it doesn't suit them Wink

You mean their version of god. My point, is no one seem to agree who or what god is.

that's right. Here is a list of Gods that christians deny Wink

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=285

More to my arguement, we don't know who or what god is. More what actually. If we find what, we can then work on who ;p.

if god is purely imaginary then there is NO scientific test to prove its existence.

That is correct.

so then you agree that god is purely imaginary !!

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #379 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 10:35pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 7:26am:

The thing is that, really, its the essence of the Christian message which should be important... Being (1) living one's life by the golden rule - to do to others only that which you'd have done to you (or - that which is hateful to you, do not do to others), (2) Love one's neighbour as oneself. The second 'rule' requiring, of course, that the adherent learn to love / respect himself first such that he can reflect that degree of respect towards others (all respect being essentially self-respect) and (3) To ensure one's actions are guided by those principles.

Christian mythology is incidental and essentially irrelevant... Who cares whether or not Jesus was actually the 'Messiah' whose coming was foretold by the 'Prophets'?, Who cares whether there were or were not 12 apostles, or that Jesus did or did not perform miracles? Or whether he was born in Bethlehem or somewhere in Galilee, or that he was born of a virgin, or whether or not he rose from the dead. These were just stories conjured up by great storytellers to appease ancient and superstitious peoples who required that the central religious figure be a better / stronger / abler 'god' than the local competition!

None of the ridiculous Christian mythological baggage is worth even 5 minutes consideration when contemplating one's answer to the greatest of moral and ethical questions, 'How should I live?'.

That's just the viewpoint you've chosen to adopt Helian .. and that's fine. Many however choose to differ.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #380 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 10:05am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 10:35pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 7:26am:

The thing is that, really, its the essence of the Christian message which should be important... Being (1) living one's life by the golden rule - to do to others only that which you'd have done to you (or - that which is hateful to you, do not do to others), (2) Love one's neighbour as oneself. The second 'rule' requiring, of course, that the adherent learn to love / respect himself first such that he can reflect that degree of respect towards others (all respect being essentially self-respect) and (3) To ensure one's actions are guided by those principles.

Christian mythology is incidental and essentially irrelevant... Who cares whether or not Jesus was actually the 'Messiah' whose coming was foretold by the 'Prophets'?, Who cares whether there were or were not 12 apostles, or that Jesus did or did not perform miracles? Or whether he was born in Bethlehem or somewhere in Galilee, or that he was born of a virgin, or whether or not he rose from the dead. These were just stories conjured up by great storytellers to appease ancient and superstitious peoples who required that the central religious figure be a better / stronger / abler 'god' than the local competition!

None of the ridiculous Christian mythological baggage is worth even 5 minutes consideration when contemplating one's answer to the greatest of moral and ethical questions, 'How should I live?'.

That's just the viewpoint you've chosen to adopt Helian .. and that's fine. Many however choose to differ.

Yes, it's certainly my viewpoint (although its interesting you make this statement in a diminutive context - being yourself a Christian n'all)...

While I'm sure many (if not most) Christians would (or should at least in principle) agree with my 'viewpoint', others seem content to parrot forged / interpolated / mistranslated / redacted Biblical text as 'truth'.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #382 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:09pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Do your assumptions give you much comfort, Helian?

Either it_is_the_light has possessed you or.... Grin

Does your reference to 'assumptions' refer to my belief that (perhaps) most Christians would agree in principle with my viewpoint?

If so, then I will amplify my response... My assumption was intended as a sign of my respect towards believing Christians that they were in the main not moronic parrots mindlessly regurgitating flawed dogma... But I accept my assumption here could be wrong... Maybe they are.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #383 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:16pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Do your assumptions give you much comfort, Helian?

Either it_is_the_light has possessed you or.... Grin

Does your reference to 'assumptions' refer to my belief that (perhaps) most Christians would agree in principle with my viewpoint?

If so, then I will amplify my response... My assumption was intended as a sign of my respect towards believing Christians that they were in the main not moronic parrots mindlessly regurgitating flawed dogma... But I accept my assumption here could be wrong... Maybe they are.

You often feel the need to resort to this type of "response" when you sense you're losing the argument.

You needlessly bring in other posters into your reply .. in some vague attempt to denigrate the poster who has cornered you.

Perhaps you ought to try a different tact with me ... particularly in view of what happend to you last Saturday night in this very topic.

Speaking of which I trust you have significantly recovered now and you've given yourself permission to get some sleep/rest. You were getting a tad too obsessive there at one stage Helian .. given the many hours you sacrificed for this topic alone .. and I was rather concerned for your health.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #384 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:22pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 4:49pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

And the The Babylonian Talmud?

Sorry Helian, there are too many source documents which suggest that Jesus was real and a charlatan to boot.

Documents written hundreds of years after the events of which they claim to bear witness?

Are you Lisa for the day? Grin

There you go again .. bringing other posters into your "reply" in some vague attempt to denigrate the poster who has cornered you.

It all smacks of insecurity and immaturity if you ask me.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #385 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:29pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 4:49pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

And the The Babylonian Talmud?

Sorry Helian, there are too many source documents which suggest that Jesus was real and a charlatan to boot.

Documents written hundreds of years after the events of which they claim to bear witness?

Are you Lisa for the day? Grin

There you go again .. bringing other posters into your "reply" in some vague attempt to denigrate the poster who has cornered you.

It all smacks of insecurity and immaturity if you ask me.

And focus on a one-line frivolous comment making it the point to your 'objections' indicates to me that you are the more pernicious kind of Christian parrot... Avoiding the argument due to an abject lack of knowledge about what you are talking and feigning 'outrage' at the incidental...

BTW Sappho also accepts the existence of forgeries and later interpolations into Biblical text... I notice you do not quote her on those points.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #387 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:43pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Do your assumptions give you much comfort, Helian?

Either it_is_the_light has possessed you or.... Grin

Does your reference to 'assumptions' refer to my belief that (perhaps) most Christians would agree in principle with my viewpoint?

If so, then I will amplify my response... My assumption was intended as a sign of my respect towards believing Christians that they were in the main not moronic parrots mindlessly regurgitating flawed dogma... But I accept my assumption here could be wrong... Maybe they are.

You often feel the need to resort to this type of "response" when you sense you're losing the argument.

You needlessly bring in other posters into your reply .. in some vague attempt to denigrate the poster who has cornered you.

Perhaps you ought to try a different tact with me ... particularly in view of what happend to you last Saturday night in this very topic.

Speaking of which I trust you have significantly recovered now and you've given yourself permission to get some sleep/rest. You were getting a tad too obsessive there at one stage Helian .. given the many hours you sacrificed for this topic alone .. and I was rather concerned for your health.

Goodness gracious me .. after reading back (you may recall I've been away since last Sunday afternoon on business) .. it seems you haven't had much sleep at all Helian.

Perhaps it's good in a way that this particular topic is keeping you awake and preventing you from getting much sleep Helian. You're struggling to come to terms with it all .. obviously.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #388 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:46pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

Goodness gracious me .. after reading back (you may recall I've been away since last Sunday afternoon on business) .. it seems you haven't had much sleep at all Helian.

Perhaps it's good in a way that this particular topic is keeping you awake and preventing you from getting much sleep Helian. You're struggling to come to terms with it all .. obviously.

This issue can be resolved very quickly. Just pray for Jesus to appear in front of us then we know that Jesus is real and not imaginary Wink

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #389 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:54pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Do your assumptions give you much comfort, Helian?

Either it_is_the_light has possessed you or.... Grin

Does your reference to 'assumptions' refer to my belief that (perhaps) most Christians would agree in principle with my viewpoint?

If so, then I will amplify my response... My assumption was intended as a sign of my respect towards believing Christians that they were in the main not moronic parrots mindlessly regurgitating flawed dogma... But I accept my assumption here could be wrong... Maybe they are.

You often feel the need to resort to this type of "response" when you sense you're losing the argument.

You needlessly bring in other posters into your reply .. in some vague attempt to denigrate the poster who has cornered you.

Perhaps you ought to try a different tact with me ... particularly in view of what happend to you last Saturday night in this very topic.

Speaking of which I trust you have significantly recovered now and you've given yourself permission to get some sleep/rest. You were getting a tad too obsessive there at one stage Helian .. given the many hours you sacrificed for this topic alone .. and I was rather concerned for your health.

Goodness gracious me .. after reading back (you may recall I've been away since last Sunday afternoon on business) .. it seems you haven't had much sleep at all Helian.

Perhaps it's good in a way that this particular topic is keeping you awake and preventing you from getting much sleep Helian. You're struggling to come to terms with it all .. obviously.

Yes, I'm a prolific writer (mostly not on forums!)...

On the subject of religion, I'm particularly intrigued by Christians (of your ilk) who appear unable to come to terms with how Biblical text has been (often deceptively) manipulated by redaction, interpolation, misinterpretation and mistranslation over 20 centuries.

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