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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #60 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 7:18am

Seriously, Sciences method is that 'nothing can be proven to be true, all you can do is prove something to be useful to believe.' Religion however, COMMANDS that you believe, at the peril of your immortal soul. I don't think Fran, that you can realistically call yourself religious and be prepared to cut out the bits you don't like.

Yadda likes to hate Muslims. He's forever citing his favourite Koranic verses to show how violent and evil Islam is. And yet the Koran and the bible are virtually the same book. I opened a Koran today for the first time and the random opening was the story of Noah's Ark funnily enough. And Yadda doesn't ever quote the teachings of Jesus when Jesus is saying, "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." — Luke 19:27.

If we apply the scientific method to religion and demand a proof of usefulness to believe, what is there? The Holy Land?

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Reply #61 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 7:29am

The creation of Adam and Eve is a bad and misleading myth. The biblical idea is simply wrong, not even symbolically valid. It is an inaccurate idea that has helped to set the stage for the development of a guilt-producing dependency-seeking neurotic religion.

We must remember that humanity is not flawed by some real or mythical act of disobedience that had us expelled from some fanciful Garden of Eden.

We are still evolving, but at this stage we haven't worked out what it is to be human.

creation> wham! bam! we're done, finished, completo.

evolution> we are still evolving. We haven't got to the finished product of humanity yet. Still growing and learning what it is to be grounded in humanity.

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nairbe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2587 Rural NSW Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #62 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 7:40am If you consider the storey of Adam and Eve as the christians like to then their children were guilty of incest. All that in breeding no wonder they don't know what really happened. Rather explains why the church is a shelter for sex offenders.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49224 At my desk.	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #63 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 8:17am Quote: The creation of Adam and Eve is a bad and misleading myth. The biblical idea is simply wrong, not even symbolically valid. So why do researchers of evolution use it's symbology so often?
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #64 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 8:53am

nairbe wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 7:40am:

If you consider the storey of Adam and Eve as the christians like to then their children were guilty of incest. All that in breeding no wonder they don't know what really happened. Rather explains why the church is a shelter for sex offenders.

They were actually Jews. What about the Land of Nod though?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #66 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 9:12am

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 8:17am:

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The creation of Adam and Eve is a bad and misleading myth. The biblical idea is simply wrong, not even symbolically valid.

So why do researchers of evolution use it's symbology so often?

I have no idea. I would say the garden of Eden was not a perfect place though. For one, why would an evil snake be there if it was perfect?

If Adam was created perfect, why was he lonely?

It seems the sin of Adam and Eve was predestined because God told Adam that if he ate of the forbidden fruit he would surely die. That means everything we do on this earth is also predestined.

And what was a tree of the knowledge of good and evil doing in paradise?

Whoever wrote that wanted us to believe that Eden was paradise but it was a crap hole even before Eve took the first bite of the apple.

Fair enough to say the symbolism is correct at first glance, but not if you look deeper into the story.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #67 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:02am barnaby joe wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 8:56am: land of http://i2.listal.com/image/93598/600full-make-way-for-noddy-photo.jpg Oooo that's clever, what a moron. From your other posts I'd guess it to be your reading level.
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #68 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:05am

Frances wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 3:36am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 2:30am:

franfran and Yadda are another couple of losers who not only believe this bullshit but try and convince others to believe it as well Sad

I'm not asking anyone to believe anything.
I just asked what I thought was a pretty straightforward question.
In response, a number of mentally challenged forum members have come forward to equate religion with creationism.

Fran -
and you got an answer which is no.
Religion is not compatible with Evolution.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #70 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:34am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:05am:

Frances wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 3:36am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 2:30am:

franfran and Yadda are another couple of losers who not only believe this bullshit but try and convince others to believe it as well Sad

I'm not asking anyone to believe anything.
I just asked what I thought was a pretty straightforward question.
In response, a number of mentally challenged forum members have come forward to equate religion with creationism.

Fran -
and you got an answer which is no.
Religion is not compatible with Evolution.

Interesting trivia... When Darwin first proposed his theory of evolution, the (Christian Protestant Church of England at least), did not have a problem with it in principle... It was initially seen as a sign of God's greatness - that from nothing god could will human life into existence (even if by ascent from lower order species).

What the Churches objected to was the suggestion that nature was capricious, random, opportunistic and 'cruel' - therefore by inference - god was essentially not omni-benevolent.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #71 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 5:46pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 6:17am:

Charles Darwin wrote 'The Origin of the Universe' in 1859, and that book caused most of the remaining principles by which human life was understood in religious terms to go up in smoke.

The Christian church resisted Darwin with vigour, and mostly still does. 'Creation Science' is nothing more than ignorant rantings reflecting a frightened and dying religious mentality.

furthermore, there is much evidence to suggest that the species of life known as Homo is not eternal because we have fouled our environmental nest so thoroughly ie overpopulation and weapons of mass destruction (not the ones in Iraq) that the survival of the human species faces at best long odds.

No. Evolution and the Abrahamic religion of the Christian bible can not go hand in hand. If you believe one, you cannot believe the other.

I'm sure many practising Christians do believe in evolution, but they conveniently put the idea to the back of their mind for the sake of their sanity.

No offence or disrespect to the OP for this answer.

Really?? And Darwin managed to do that the very same year he published On the Origin of Species????

Sure you can believe both.......it's easy..
'God' is an eternal being, so 'god's' time might be different to ours..
It's entirely possible that the six days needed to create the world etc, were far far longer than our measured days...

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #72 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 6:05pm Just an observation .. it's interesting to note that these types of topics are no longer being posted in Spirituality.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #73 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 6:08pm As regards religion and evolution .. both are compatible in the sense that they are man made constructs.
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