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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #75 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 6:26pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 6:08pm: As regards religion and evolution .. both are compatible in the sense that they are man made constructs. muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 9:38am: Religion is probably a consequence of evolution. Yep ..
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #76 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 7:20pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:05am:

Frances wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 3:36am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 2:30am:

franfran and Yadda are another couple of losers who not only believe this bullshit but try and convince others to believe it as well Sad

I'm not asking anyone to believe anything.
I just asked what I thought was a pretty straightforward question.
In response, a number of mentally challenged forum members have come forward to equate religion with creationism.

Fran -
and you got an answer which is no.
Religion is not compatible with Evolution.

Interesting trivia... When Darwin first proposed his theory of evolution, the (Christian Protestant Church of England at least), did not have a problem with it in principle... It was initially seen as a sign of God's greatness - that from nothing god could will human life into existence (even if by ascent from lower order species).

What the Churches objected to was the suggestion that nature was capricious, random, opportunistic and 'cruel' - therefore by inference - god was essentially not omni-benevolent.

It's interesting how the public perception of the supposed 'conflict' is so different. It's as if they think the current political dialogue in the US reflects what has gone on since Mendel, or even Galileo.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #77 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:12pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 6:05pm:

Just an observation .. it's interesting to note that these types of topics are no longer being posted in Spirituality.

Actually, when I started this thread I thought it belonged in the Spirituality section but when I looked at what was there, it all seemed to be about Eastern religions, the New Age and other esoteric stuff. The only thread that seems to be anywhere in the area I was talking about is the more recent "A question about Jesus religions..."

If I should have put it in the Spirituality section, perhaps one of the moderators can move it?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #78 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:26pm

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 7:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:05am:

Frances wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 3:36am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 2:30am:

franfran and Yadda are another couple of losers who not only believe this bullshit but try and convince others to believe it as well Sad

I'm not asking anyone to believe anything.
I just asked what I thought was a pretty straightforward question.
In response, a number of mentally challenged forum members have come forward to equate religion with creationism.

Fran -
and you got an answer which is no.
Religion is not compatible with Evolution.

Interesting trivia... When Darwin first proposed his theory of evolution, the (Christian Protestant Church of England at least), did not have a problem with it in principle... It was initially seen as a sign of God's greatness - that from nothing god could will human life into existence (even if by ascent from lower order species).

What the Churches objected to was the suggestion that nature was capricious, random, opportunistic and 'cruel' - therefore by inference - god was essentially not omni-benevolent.

It's interesting how the public perception of the supposed 'conflict' is so different. It's as if they think the current political dialogue in the US reflects what has gone on since Mendel, or even Galileo.

I think the last great "ace" against Darwinism has been played by nutjob American "Neo-Christians" as "intelligent design" in a ridiculous attempt to first return to the Churches' initial position on the matter, then to "resolve" their original objection by suggesting that, through intelligent design, god's will (as manifested through nature) is demonstrably NOT capricious, random, opportunistic and 'cruel'.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #79 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:28pm

Frances wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 10:12pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 6:05pm:

Just an observation .. it's interesting to note that these types of topics are no longer being posted in Spirituality.

Actually, when I started this thread I thought it belonged in the Spirituality section but when I looked at what was there, it all seemed to be about Eastern religions, the New Age and other esoteric stuff. The only thread that seems to be anywhere in the area I was talking about is the more recent "A question about Jesus religions..."

If I should have put it in the Spirituality section, perhaps one of the moderators can move it?

At one stage, good topics like this would appear in Spirituality.

I guess my point is that it's a shame this is no longer possible.

Ah well .. never mind .. such topics are probably better positioned up here given they have better exposure opportunities.

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Reply #80 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:01pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 6:08pm:

As regards religion and evolution .. both are compatible in the sense that they are man made constructs.

evolution is an observation of biological processes usually over long periods of time. It is not a man made construct !!

God and religion are man made constructs.

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Reply #81 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:06pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:01pm:

evolution is an observation of biological processes usually over long periods of time. It is not a man made construct !!

Oh really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construct_%28philosophy_of_science%29

In particular .. read this section:

Concepts that are considered constructs .. include .. scientific hypotheses and theories (e.g., evolutionary theory, gravitational theory), as well as classifications (e.g. in biological taxonomy) are also conceptual entities considered to be constructs.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #82 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:08pm

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #83 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:11pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:01pm:

evolution is an observation of biological processes usually over long periods of time. It is not a man made construct !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construct_%28philosophy_of_science%29

In particular .. read this section:

Concepts that are considered constructs .. include .. scientific hypotheses and theories (e.g., evolutionary theory, gravitational theory), as well as classifications (e.g. in biological taxonomy) are also conceptual entities considered to be constructs.

So how does the theory of God factor into that definition ??

The evolutionary process is not man made. The description and naming of it is man made but the process is observable by anything or anyone.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105372 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution? Reply #84 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:16pm Evoultion is based on evidence but the bible contains not one scrap of evidence. It's based on bronze age myths from primitive people who knew nothing of dinosaurs or other galaxys - they hardly knew even .00000001% of what we know now.
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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #85 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:16pm:

Evoultion is based on evidence but the bible contains not one scrap of evidence.
It's based on bronze age myths from primitive people who
knew nothing of dinosaurs or other galaxys -
they hardly knew even .00000001% of what we know now.

how come none of the true believers can tell us why Noah didn't save the dinosaurs ?? Didn't he build his boat big enough

LOL

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #86 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:26pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:16pm:

Evoultion is based on evidence but the bible contains not one scrap of evidence.
It's based on bronze age myths from primitive people who
knew nothing of dinosaurs or other galaxys -
they hardly knew even .00000001% of what we know now.

how come none of the true believers can tell us why Noah didn't save the dinosaurs ?? Didn't he build his boat big enough

LOL

What makes you believe that he didn't have any dinosaurs on board?

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #87 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:27pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:16pm:

Evoultion is based on evidence but the bible contains not one scrap of evidence.
It's based on bronze age myths from primitive people who
knew nothing of dinosaurs or other galaxys -
they hardly knew even .00000001% of what we know now.

how come none of the true believers can tell us why Noah didn't save the dinosaurs ?? Didn't he build his boat big enough

LOL

What makes you think he didn't have any dinosaurs on board?

So where are the dinosaurs now ?? Cheesy

LOL

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #88 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:16pm:

Evoultion is based on evidence but the bible contains not one scrap of evidence.
It's based on bronze age myths from primitive people who
knew nothing of dinosaurs or other galaxys -
they hardly knew even .00000001% of what we know now.

Bobby .. evolution is just a theory .. a man made construct. And just like all man made constructs .. this construct has its issues and limitations.

As a scientist .. you ought to know that.

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Re: Is Religion compatible with Evolution?
Reply #89 - Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:30pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 11:16pm:

Evoultion is based on evidence but the bible contains not one scrap of evidence.
It's based on bronze age myths from primitive people who
knew nothing of dinosaurs or other galaxys -
they hardly knew even .00000001% of what we know now.

how come none of the true believers can tell us why Noah didn't save the dinosaurs ?? Didn't he build his boat big enough

LOL

What makes you think he didn't have any dinosaurs on board?

So where are the dinosaurs now ?? Cheesy

LOL

The same place where the dodos went to .. Last Nail.

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