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Reply #120 - Oct 13^th, 2011 at 4:05pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2011 at 1:30pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 13^th, 2011 at 9:05am:

I thought christianity was the only jesus religion ?

The pagan sacraficial deities tell a very similar story to that of Jesus, or the Christ.

The point is that there were many "Jesus" religions before Jesus.

If the similarities between Jesus and Dionysis, Mithras, Attus, etc, don't give you food for thought, you're not thinking.

WHat is new with Jesus is the nature and purpose of sacrifice. The Olympians, for example, only took human shape as a disguise. Pagan religions all had death and resurrection - that's what nature does every year, after all. Christianity is also new in that there was never any bringing together of 'Athens' and 'Jerusalem' before.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96364	Re: A question about Jesus religions... Reply #121 - Oct 13^th, 2011 at 6:42pm Yes - please keep going, OB. I, for one, am listening.
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Reply #122 - Oct 13^th, 2011 at 9:00pm

Redemption is a moral category, not a biological one. An Athenian resurrection would have been merely a restoration to immortality - and the immortals were morally indistinguishable from the mortals.
The Messiah is a Redeemer (not a mere resurrecter), but in its Jewish form perhaps too mysterious and eastern a concept for the Greek Levant of the 1st century. It is significant that Jesus, Paul and all the other Jews of the NT (they are all Jews) 'speak' to posterity in Greek, Greek after Classical and Hellenist, in a thoroughly hellenised Roman milleau. They are no longer the Jews of the OT, but bilingual, Hebrew and Greek speaking Jews. The horizons of both 'Athens' and 'Jerusalem' have ben enormously broadened by this, leading to the fruitfulness of Christianity.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106330 Melbourne Gender:	Re: A question about Jesus religions... Reply #123 - Oct 13^th, 2011 at 10:23pm Soren, Quote: the fruitfulness of Christianity Like the Catholic Inquisition which lasted 600 years?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106330 Melbourne Gender:	Re: A question about Jesus religions... Reply #124 - Oct 13^th, 2011 at 10:25pm Burning people.
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Reply #125 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 7:45am

Ah yes, those holey intrusions. They sure had an imagionative spin on the word "holey" didn't they?
One might wonder what on earth they heard God say Roll Eyes

OK, we can excuse them for a few dire centuries of ...oopsville.
Actually, they just misinterpreted the word of God to mean kill torture kill, kill torture kill, instead of the peace and understanding that God intended.
Yes we can forgive them can't we? ....Not!!

I cannot forgive such a misinterpretation...sorry. I cannot forgive that at all.

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Reply #126 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 8:06am

muso wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 3:27pm:

To take the position that they know everything is not very scientific. It's a common fallacy among atheists without formal scientific training.

And, of course, they're missing the irony...

To know everything requires that you know (with absolute certainty) that you know everything... To be above doubt in the absolute.

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Reply #127 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 8:21am

Amadd wrote on Oct 14^th, 2011 at 7:45am:

Ah yes, those holey intrusions. They sure had an imagionative spin on the word "holey" didn't they?
One might wonder what on earth they heard God say Roll Eyes

OK, we can excuse them for a few dire centuries of ...oopsville.
Actually, they just misinterpreted the word of God to mean kill torture kill, kill torture kill, instead of the peace and understanding that God intended.
Yes we can forgive them can't we? ....Not!!

I cannot forgive such a misinterpretation...sorry. I cannot forgive that at all.

who are you not going to forgive for what ?

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Reply #128 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 9:35am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 14^th, 2011 at 8:21am:

Amadd wrote on Oct 14^th, 2011 at 7:45am:

Ah yes, those holey intrusions. They sure had an imagionative spin on the word "holey" didn't they?
One might wonder what on earth they heard God say Roll Eyes

OK, we can excuse them for a few dire centuries of ...oopsville.
Actually, they just misinterpreted the word of God to mean kill torture kill, kill torture kill, instead of the peace and understanding that God intended.
Yes we can forgive them can't we? ....Not!!

I cannot forgive such a misinterpretation...sorry. I cannot forgive that at all.

who are you not going to forgive for what ?

The church can't be forgiven.
Their philosophy led to the crimes they commited.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96364	Re: A question about Jesus religions... Reply #129 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 9:56am How did the sermon on the mount lead to burning at the stake?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96364	Re: A question about Jesus religions... Reply #130 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 11:11am Answer: it didn't. The philosophy of Christianity is influenced by Plato, Aristotle, stoicism and a range of other pagan influences. Somewhere within medieval cosmology the teachings of Jesus were forgotten. Still, it's unfair to judge history from this side.
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Re: A question about Jesus religions...
Reply #131 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 11:41am

Karnal wrote on Oct 14^th, 2011 at 11:11am:

Answer: it didn't.

The philosophy of Christianity is influenced by Plato, Aristotle, stoicism and a range of other pagan influences.

Somewhere within medieval cosmology the teachings of Jesus were forgotten.

Still, it's unfair to judge history from this side.

Wrong - when you create devils & witches you then have the problem
of finding them, & what to do about them.
Cleansing with fire was an obvious solution.

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Reply #132 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 12:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2011 at 9:35am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 14^th, 2011 at 8:21am:

Amadd wrote on Oct 14^th, 2011 at 7:45am:

Ah yes, those holey intrusions. They sure had an imagionative spin on the word "holey" didn't they?
One might wonder what on earth they heard God say Roll Eyes

OK, we can excuse them for a few dire centuries of ...oopsville.
Actually, they just misinterpreted the word of God to mean kill torture kill, kill torture kill, instead of the peace and understanding that God intended.
Yes we can forgive them can't we? ....Not!!

I cannot forgive such a misinterpretation...sorry. I cannot forgive that at all.

who are you not going to forgive for what ?

The church can't be forgiven.
Their philosophy led to the crimes they commited.

Well bobby, for what you have indicated, you won't get any argument from me.
Nor from Jesus.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness.
You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. "

Matthew 23:23 - 25

the pharisees were the "church" leaders of the day

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Reply #133 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 11:14pm

Mathew 12

Jesus said:
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26] And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
[27] And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
[28] But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you

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Jesus talked a lot about devils - but he was able to cast them out -
the church had to resort to fire!

You see - once you create this idea & philosophy about devils the
falshood gives rise to crazy acts done in the name of religion.
Religion is to be feared by normal people.
It can happen again - it's still happening but more so now in Islamic religion.

If we can't get rid of religion we're doomed as a species.
It holds us back with Middle Age superstitious thinking.

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Re: A question about Jesus religions...
Reply #134 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 11:24pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 14^th, 2011 at 11:11am:

Answer: it didn't.

The philosophy of Christianity is influenced by Plato, Aristotle, stoicism and a range of other pagan influences.

Somewhere within medieval cosmology the teachings of Jesus were forgotten.

Still, it's unfair to judge history from this side.

Yes but the bible says to kill witches which is exactly what they did. The question is why don't they still burn witches at the stake ?? Is it because they have got rid of all of them Cheesy

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