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Reply #75 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 9:23pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 9:17pm:
josef bobcat wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 6:33pm:
we know you can't yadda

we know you can't

Still, it's an awesome achievement for a non-existent man to be the cornerstone of 2000 years of civilisation, of artistic, scientific, literary, legal and social development.

Sorta like Robin Hood or King Arthur.... Only older.

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Re: A question about Jesus religions...
Reply #76 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:04pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 9:23pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 9:17pm:
josef bobcat wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 6:33pm:
we know you can't yadda

we know you can't

Still, it's an awesome achievement for a non-existent man to be the cornerstone of 2000 years of civilisation, of artistic, scientific, literary, legal and social development.

Sorta like Robin Hood or King Arthur.... Only older.



You all need to watch this video:



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Horus is the sun God of Egypt.  He was born of a virgin under a star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 3000BC

Attis is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC

Mithra is the sun God of Persia. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC Day of worship was Sunday

Krishna is the sun God of India. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 900BC

Dionysus is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 200BC

Jesus Christ is the latest SUN God. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected


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Re: A question about Jesus religions...
Reply #77 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:26pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:04pm:
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Horus is the sun God of Egypt.  He was born of a virgin under a star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 3000BC

Attis is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Preformed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC

Mithra is the sun God of Persia. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Preformed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC Day of worship was Sunday

Krishna is the sun God of India. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Preformed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 900BC

Dionysus is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Preformed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 200BC

Jesus Christ is the latest SUN God. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Preformed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected




A bit of a coincidence about the magic 12 disciples, 3 Kings and the 3 day resurrection or was it just a case of plain old plagiarism Wink
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Reply #78 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:28pm
 
Good old  plagiarism  Nail.

It still works today.
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Reply #79 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:30pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:28pm:
Good old  plagiarism  Nail.

It still works today.


And so many gullible people can't see through the church and their scam Sad
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Reply #80 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:34pm
 
And the significance of December 25 in the Northern Hemisphere?

It's the first day after the Winter Solstice that the days are perceptibly longer.
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Reply #81 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:36pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:34pm:
And the significance of December 25 in the Northern Hemisphere?

It's the first day after the Winter Solstice that the days are perceptibly longer.


Watch this Helian -
the church today:

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Reply #82 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:41pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:36pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:34pm:
And the significance of December 25 in the Northern Hemisphere?

It's the first day after the Winter Solstice that the days are perceptibly longer.


Watch this Helian -
the church today:

Ah, dere's nuttin loike a pissed off Oirish Priest Grin
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Reply #83 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:45pm
 
Shows you what they really think of people particularly young boys Sad
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Reply #84 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:49pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:45pm:
Shows you what they really think of people particularly young boys Sad

Yep, I think the esteem of the Catholic priesthood is in irreversible and terminal decline.

Probably only a female priesthood could reverse the trend (and marriage permissible within the priesthood).
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Reply #85 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:51pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:45pm:
Shows you what they really think of people particularly young boys Sad


And all that high value property came from the poor over centuries.
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Reply #86 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 7:39am
 
I don't know that "Zeitgeist" holds the truth wholly in the story of Christianity, but it certainly did deliver some food for thought, ..as was it's intention.
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Reply #87 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 9:21am
 
Amadd wrote on Oct 10th, 2011 at 7:39am:
I don't know that "Zeitgeist" holds the truth wholly in the story of Christianity, but it certainly did deliver some food for thought, ..as was it's intention.



Did you watch that angry priest?
The language he used!
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Reply #88 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 11:42am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 9:17pm:
josef bobcat wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 6:33pm:
we know you can't yadda

we know you can't



Still, it's an awesome achievement for a non-existent man to be the cornerstone of 2000 years of civilisation, of artistic, scientific, literary, legal and social development.

I bet youi wish you didn't exist if that meant a similar advancement of humanity in your name....


Really? Greece and Rome were civilizations. The middle ages were not. The Renaissance was a rebirth of Greek and Roman (pagan) ideas of democracy, humanism, etc.

We have not had 2000 years of civilization. In the West, it's only a recent development. Christianity is important to the development of the West, but it's not pivotal.
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Reply #89 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 11:46am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 10:04pm:
Horus is the sun God of Egypt.  He was born of a virgin under a star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 3000BC

Attis is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC

Mithra is the sun God of Persia. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC Day of worship was Sunday

Krishna is the sun God of India. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 900BC

Dionysus is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 200BC

Jesus Christ is the latest SUN God. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected


Good post, but some of the details are completely wrong. Many of these gods weren't crucified. Krishna certainly wasn't - and he wasn't known as the lamb of God.

Jesus's story certainly WAS put together from older pagan deities, but this doesn't mean there wasn't a real Yeheshua ben Joseph.

We know that his birthday was chosen to match the pagan festival of the Winter Solstice. We know that other details - such as the 3 wise men were added. This was a deliberate ploy to superimpose Christianity over paganism. It still happens today when Christianity comes in to take over cargo cults, etc. The stories and ideas are adapted. The Virgin Mary has taken the place of many pagan godesses.

Some other parallels between earlier pagan gods and the Jesus story are also interesting. The cave birth of Dionysis was turned into a stable. The riding into town on a donkey and having palm fronds placed in his path by an adoring crowd parallels with the story of Mithras, I think. It does sound all a little convenient.

But so what? Jesus still appears to people in dreams and near-death experiences. He still has a place in the collective unconscious. When praying to Jesus or Mithras or Dionysis or Krishna, you pray to a personality of the one God. Jesus is just an embodiment of God in the same way all these other deities are.

It becomes problematic when one faith starts saying their's is the best or the only way. Hare krishna's call Krishna the "supreme personality of Godhead." Christians say Jesus is the ONLY "way, truth and light". If this is true, no one could have had a religion before Christianity. Everyone other than Hare Krishnas are just wasting their time.

This is just fundamentalism, although the seeds are often contained in the original texts. In the Bhagivad Gita, Krishna says to offer him a flower. Today, many Krishna shrines are set up to do just that. But Krishna meant more than this. Jesus also said that no man shall come to God but through him. Was he talking about his own personality, or his evolved stage of Christ consciousness?

Deity worship has been around for a long time. It can serve a purpose. Atheism is just as misguided as fundamentalism, trying to prove its own story rather than looking at the benefits of spiritual paths and seeking to achieve them.

Sure, you can do it without deities or a notion of God - as Buddhists do, as many gnostics even do. But you do need a conception of something other than just your own ego.

This is where deities are useful. They can facilitate humility and awe. At the other end, of course, they can facilitate fundamentalism, so it's a dual edged sword.
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