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Reply #91 - Oct 10^th, 2011 at 6:46pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 11:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 9^th, 2011 at 10:04pm:

Horus is the sun God of Egypt. He was born of a virgin under a star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 3000BC

Attis is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC

Mithra is the sun God of Persia. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC Day of worship was Sunday

Krishna is the sun God of India. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 900BC

Dionysus is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 200BC

Jesus Christ is the latest SUN God. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected

Good post, but some of the details are completely wrong. Many of these gods weren't crucified. Krishna certainly wasn't - and he wasn't known as the lamb of God.

Jesus's story certainly WAS put together from older pagan deities, but this doesn't mean there wasn't a real Yeheshua ben Joseph.

We know that his birthday was chosen to match the pagan festival of the Winter Solstice. We know that other details - such as the 3 wise men were added. This was a deliberate ploy to superimpose Christianity over paganism. It still happens today when Christianity comes in to take over cargo cults, etc. The stories and ideas are adapted. The Virgin Mary has taken the place of many pagan godesses.

Some other parallels between earlier pagan gods and the Jesus story are also interesting. The cave birth of Dionysis was turned into a stable. The riding into town on a donkey and having palm fronds placed in his path by an adoring crowd parallels with the story of Mithras, I think. It does sound all a little convenient.

But so what? Jesus still appears to people in dreams and near-death experiences. He still has a place in the collective unconscious. When praying to Jesus or Mithras or Dionysis or Krishna, you pray to a personality of the one God. Jesus is just an embodiment of God in the same way all these other deities are.

It becomes problematic when one faith starts saying their's is the best or the only way. Hare krishna's call Krishna the "supreme personality of Godhead." Christians say Jesus is the ONLY "way, truth and light". If this is true, no one could have had a religion before Christianity. Everyone other than Hare Krishnas are just wasting their time.

This is just fundamentalism, although the seeds are often contained in the original texts. In the Bhagivad Gita, Krishna says to offer him a flower. Today, many Krishna shrines are set up to do just that. But Krishna meant more than this. Jesus also said that no man shall come to God but through him. Was he talking about his own personality, or his evolved stage of Christ consciousness?

Deity worship has been around for a long time. It can serve a purpose. Atheism is just as misguided as fundamentalism, trying to prove its own story rather than looking at the benefits of spiritual paths and seeking to achieve them.

Sure, you can do it without deities or a notion of God - as Buddhists do, as many gnostics even do. But you do need a conception of something other than just your own ego.

This is where deities are useful. They can facilitate humility and awe. At the other end, of course, they can facilitate fundamentalism, so it's a dual edged sword.

Can't you see that it's all made up nonsense?

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Reply #92 - Oct 10^th, 2011 at 6:55pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 11:46am:

Good post, but some of the details are completely wrong. Many of these gods weren't crucified. Krishna certainly wasn't - and he wasn't known as the lamb of God.

Jesus's story certainly WAS put together from older pagan deities, but this doesn't mean there wasn't a real Yeheshua ben Joseph.

We know that his birthday was chosen to match the pagan festival of the Winter Solstice. We know that other details - such as the 3 wise men were added. This was a deliberate ploy to superimpose Christianity over paganism. It still happens today when Christianity comes in to take over cargo cults, etc. The stories and ideas are adapted. The Virgin Mary has taken the place of many pagan godesses.

Some other parallels between earlier pagan gods and the Jesus story are also interesting. The cave birth of Dionysis was turned into a stable. The riding into town on a donkey and having palm fronds placed in his path by an adoring crowd parallels with the story of Mithras, I think. It does sound all a little convenient.

But so what? Jesus still appears to people in dreams and near-death experiences. He still has a place in the collective unconscious. When praying to Jesus or Mithras or Dionysis or Krishna, you pray to a personality of the one God. Jesus is just an embodiment of God in the same way all these other deities are.

It becomes problematic when one faith starts saying their's is the best or the only way. Hare krishna's call Krishna the "supreme personality of Godhead." Christians say Jesus is the ONLY "way, truth and light". If this is true, no one could have had a religion before Christianity. Everyone other than Hare Krishnas are just wasting their time.

This is just fundamentalism, although the seeds are often contained in the original texts. In the Bhagivad Gita, Krishna says to offer him a flower. Today, many Krishna shrines are set up to do just that. But Krishna meant more than this. Jesus also said that no man shall come to God but through him. Was he talking about his own personality, or his evolved stage of Christ consciousness?

Deity worship has been around for a long time. It can serve a purpose. Atheism is just as misguided as fundamentalism, trying to prove its own story rather than looking at the benefits of spiritual paths and seeking to achieve them.

Sure, you can do it without deities or a notion of God - as Buddhists do, as many gnostics even do. But you do need a conception of something other than just your own ego.

This is where deities are useful. They can facilitate humility and awe. At the other end, of course, they can facilitate fundamentalism, so it's a dual edged sword.

Religion does nothing to improve the thinking of blinkered racist bigots obviously. Dickhead.

Karnal (IamNotaRacistBUTT) - I'm not racist, but us whites have made this country what it is. I have nothing against the lower races - some of them are good friends of mine. I'd have no problem visiting them in their own countries - just not here.

Look what I said about you Karnal Wink

hahahaha only meant it as satire of course. <bangs head against wall and moans,

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Reply #93 - Oct 10^th, 2011 at 8:29pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 11:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 9^th, 2011 at 10:04pm:

Horus is the sun God of Egypt. He was born of a virgin under a star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 3000BC

Attis is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC

Mithra is the sun God of Persia. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC Day of worship was Sunday

Krishna is the sun God of India. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 900BC

Dionysus is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 200BC

Jesus Christ is the latest SUN God. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected

Good post, but some of the details are completely wrong. Many of these gods weren't crucified. Krishna certainly wasn't - and he wasn't known as the lamb of God.

Jesus's story certainly WAS put together from older pagan deities, but this doesn't mean there wasn't a real Yeheshua ben Joseph.

We know that his birthday was chosen to match the pagan festival of the Winter Solstice. We know that other details - such as the 3 wise men were added. This was a deliberate ploy to superimpose Christianity over paganism. It still happens today when Christianity comes in to take over cargo cults, etc. The stories and ideas are adapted. The Virgin Mary has taken the place of many pagan godesses.

Some other parallels between earlier pagan gods and the Jesus story are also interesting. The cave birth of Dionysis was turned into a stable. The riding into town on a donkey and having palm fronds placed in his path by an adoring crowd parallels with the story of Mithras, I think. It does sound all a little convenient.

But so what? Jesus still appears to people in dreams and near-death experiences. He still has a place in the collective unconscious. When praying to Jesus or Mithras or Dionysis or Krishna, you pray to a personality of the one God. Jesus is just an embodiment of God in the same way all these other deities are.

It becomes problematic when one faith starts saying their's is the best or the only way. Hare krishna's call Krishna the "supreme personality of Godhead." Christians say Jesus is the ONLY "way, truth and light". If this is true, no one could have had a religion before Christianity. Everyone other than Hare Krishnas are just wasting their time.

This is just fundamentalism, although the seeds are often contained in the original texts. In the Bhagivad Gita, Krishna says to offer him a flower. Today, many Krishna shrines are set up to do just that. But Krishna meant more than this. Jesus also said that no man shall come to God but through him. Was he talking about his own personality, or his evolved stage of Christ consciousness?

Deity worship has been around for a long time. It can serve a purpose. Atheism is just as misguided as fundamentalism, trying to prove its own story rather than looking at the benefits of spiritual paths and seeking to achieve them.

Sure, you can do it without deities or a notion of God - as Buddhists do, as many gnostics even do. But you do need a conception of something other than just your own ego.

This is where deities are useful. They can facilitate humility and awe. At the other end, of course, they can facilitate fundamentalism, so it's a dual edged sword.

Oh, the wisdom of the post-colonial, post-modern, self-conscious undergraduate who can, at last, see the world as it really is.
All knowldge is to hand, the Geist has arrived at its destination of knowing itself fully.

Priceless.

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Reply #94 - Oct 10^th, 2011 at 8:38pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 11:46am:

The riding into town on a donkey and having palm fronds placed in his path by an adoring crowd parallels with the story of Mithras, I think. It does sound all a little convenient.

Riding into Jerusalem on a donkey was a ritual reserved for Kings of the line of David, I believe.

Which means that the Jesus myth of his entry into Jerusalem was (or would have been construed as) a direct statement regarding his claim to the throne of David.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105974 Melbourne Gender:	Re: A question about Jesus religions... Reply #95 - Oct 10^th, 2011 at 11:31pm These Jesus threads just won't go away even after sane people like me prove they are myths.
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Reply #96 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 5:29am

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Atheism is just as misguided as fundamentalism, trying to prove its own story rather than looking at the benefits of spiritual paths and seeking to achieve them.

Within that, I'd like to hear your definition of atheism.
I'd prefer to use my own words on this, but I haven't the time atm.

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Can an atheist be a spiritual person, and if so, in what sense?
Is it meaningful to talk of atheist spirituality, or should the term be reserved for religious believers? ....

What is spirituality?

From what I have read on the psychology of religion, I have learned that experts in this field lack consensus on the meaning of spirituality but generally agree on what it is not. Spirituality is not the same thing as religion, or even religious belief. One can be deeply spiritual while simultaneously rejecting anything recognizable as religious belief of religious practices. Moreover, not all religious believers are necessarily spiritual.....

Can an atheist be a spiritual person?

Absolutely. If we think of something like trait spirituality as ranging on a continuum from low to high, atheists can score at any point along the continuum just like anyone else. High scores would indicate someone who seeks spiritual experiences or who experiences the various components of spirituality, depending on how the measure functions.

http://www.atheistrev.com/2008/01/atheist-spirituality.html

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Reply #97 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 9:06am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 6:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 11:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 9^th, 2011 at 10:04pm:

Horus is the sun God of Egypt. He was born of a virgin under a star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 3000BC

Attis is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC

Mithra is the sun God of Persia. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 1200BC Day of worship was Sunday

Krishna is the sun God of India. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 900BC

Dionysus is the sun God of Greece. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 200BC

Jesus Christ is the latest SUN God. He was born of a virgin under star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected

Good post, but some of the details are completely wrong. Many of these gods weren't crucified. Krishna certainly wasn't - and he wasn't known as the lamb of God.

Jesus's story certainly WAS put together from older pagan deities, but this doesn't mean there wasn't a real Yeheshua ben Joseph.

We know that his birthday was chosen to match the pagan festival of the Winter Solstice. We know that other details - such as the 3 wise men were added. This was a deliberate ploy to superimpose Christianity over paganism. It still happens today when Christianity comes in to take over cargo cults, etc. The stories and ideas are adapted. The Virgin Mary has taken the place of many pagan godesses.

Some other parallels between earlier pagan gods and the Jesus story are also interesting. The cave birth of Dionysis was turned into a stable. The riding into town on a donkey and having palm fronds placed in his path by an adoring crowd parallels with the story of Mithras, I think. It does sound all a little convenient.

But so what? Jesus still appears to people in dreams and near-death experiences. He still has a place in the collective unconscious. When praying to Jesus or Mithras or Dionysis or Krishna, you pray to a personality of the one God. Jesus is just an embodiment of God in the same way all these other deities are.

It becomes problematic when one faith starts saying their's is the best or the only way. Hare krishna's call Krishna the "supreme personality of Godhead." Christians say Jesus is the ONLY "way, truth and light". If this is true, no one could have had a religion before Christianity. Everyone other than Hare Krishnas are just wasting their time.

This is just fundamentalism, although the seeds are often contained in the original texts. In the Bhagivad Gita, Krishna says to offer him a flower. Today, many Krishna shrines are set up to do just that. But Krishna meant more than this. Jesus also said that no man shall come to God but through him. Was he talking about his own personality, or his evolved stage of Christ consciousness?

Deity worship has been around for a long time. It can serve a purpose. Atheism is just as misguided as fundamentalism, trying to prove its own story rather than looking at the benefits of spiritual paths and seeking to achieve them.

Sure, you can do it without deities or a notion of God - as Buddhists do, as many gnostics even do. But you do need a conception of something other than just your own ego.

This is where deities are useful. They can facilitate humility and awe. At the other end, of course, they can facilitate fundamentalism, so it's a dual edged sword.

Can't you see that it's all made up nonsense?

Of course it's made up.

If you want to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you have to make it up.

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Reply #98 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 7:13pm

Hi Karnal,

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Horus is the sun God of Egypt. He was born of a virgin under a star in the east on December 25. He had 12 disciples was adorned by 3 Kings. Was a teacher at 12 Performed miracles Was known as lamb of God and the light. He was crucified dead for 3 days and resurrected 3000BC

I do see some similarities there. Grin

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96187 Gender:	Re: A question about Jesus religions... Reply #99 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 9:07pm Exactly. Horus, Mithras, Jesus... Sieze the day, my friend. Pick a god, or leave him be. If you choose to leave him be, be a god yourself. But remember, it's much harder that it sounds. Listen to the old boy above. He has much wisdom in his faux Danish exterior.
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Reply #100 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 10:18pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 9:07pm:

Exactly. Horus, Mithras, Jesus...

Sieze the day, my friend. Pick a god, or leave him be. If you choose to leave him be, be a god yourself. But remember, it's much harder that it sounds.

Listen to the old boy above. He has much wisdom in his faux Danish exterior.

I worship the God of science.

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Reply #101 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 2:08am

Karnal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 11:42am:

Soren wrote on Oct 9^th, 2011 at 9:17pm:

josef bobcat wrote on Oct 9^th, 2011 at 6:33pm:

we know you can't yadda

we know you can't

Still, it's an awesome achievement for a non-existent man to be the cornerstone of 2000 years of civilisation, of artistic, scientific, literary, legal and social development.

I bet youi wish you didn't exist if that meant a similar advancement of humanity in your name....

Really? Greece and Rome were civilizations. The middle ages were not. The Renaissance was a rebirth of Greek and Roman (pagan) ideas of democracy, humanism, etc.

We have not had 2000 years of civilization. In the West, it's only a recent development.

Christianity is important to the development of the West, but it's not pivotal.

Not pivotal ???

Weren't Judeao/Christian laws [along with Christianity] essentially accepted, and adopted in much of Europe ?

And didn't those Judeao/Christian laws, adopted in much of Europe, and the human values which those laws nurtured, mould the psyche of European man ?

I like to believe that they did.

And although the results was far from 'perfection', perhaps the imperfections had more to do with the innate nature of men, rather than a failing of [the influence of] those laws ?

Dictionary;

psyche = = the human soul, mind, or spirit.

I know that many people in this 'modern' age would suppose, that the OT laws [of Moses] were 'vicious' and 'barbaric' laws.

They are often portrayed in that way, by many people today.

But having read and become a little familiar with those OT [criminal] laws, i would have to say that yes, although those laws [OT laws of Moses relating to strictly criminal matters] were sometimes very harsh to criminals, yet i believe that those O.T. laws do teach man [would instil in men] a propensity for ethical behaviour.

And personally, i would be happy to live in a society where those were laws were 'imposed' on the society, because i know [that is, i believe] that such a society, would be a safe and decent place to live [for honest, and non-violent people].

e.g.

Deuteronomy 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.
21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

Deuteronomy 4:1
Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
3 Your eyes have seen what the LORD did because of Baalpeor: for all the men that followed Baalpeor, the LORD thy God hath destroyed them from among you.
4 But ye that did cleave unto the LORD your God are alive every one of you this day.
5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

The problem was, that Israel did not keep God's laws [did not keep, their covenant with their God].

And in so doing, the children of Israel corrupted themselves.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #102 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 2:25am

Yadda wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 2:08am:

And personally, i would be happy to live in a society where those were laws were 'imposed' on the society, because i know [that is, i believe] that such a society, would be a safe and decent place to live [for honest, and non-violent people].

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #103 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 6:37am

Karnal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 9:07pm:

Sieze the day, my friend. Pick a god, or leave him be. If you choose to leave him be, be a god yourself. But remember, it's much harder that it sounds.

And always remember that each dawning day may be your last... So seize the day, trusting as little as possible in tomorrow.... Or at least Wednesdays.

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Sieze the day, my friend. Pick a god, or leave him be. If you choose to leave him be, be a god yourself. But remember, it's much harder that it sounds.

Listen to the old boy above. He has much wisdom in his faux Danish exterior.

Please allow me to dissect some meaning from the above Roll Eyes

"Pick a god, or leave him be."
So if you choose a God, are you then not leaving the remaining Gods to be (or not to be)?

" If you choose to leave him be, be a god yourself. But remember, it's much harder that it sounds."

I've heard that premise over and over.
If you do not choose a specific dogma (for want of a better word), then you must thereby be considering yourself as God?
It makes as little sense to me now as did when I first heard this ridiculous contrived assertion by the dogmatic ones.

Could it be that some people can merely consider what holds true to themselves without any requirement to consider themselves as being anything more than an ordinary person? I think it's a distinct possibility.

"Listen to the old boy above. He has much wisdom in his faux Danish exterior."

Well first you need to tell me your definition of the "old boy above".
Then you need to tell me what he (?) told you.
It seems to me that you are speaking of "the opinions of men", 2000 yr old men no less. Not of something that you have intimate or spiritual knowledge.

The lamb of God...indeed Roll Eyes

My contention revolves around "Yeah but.."

Yeah but can't I pick and choose what holds true to me within science, within buddhism, judaism, christianity, Islam, left wing, right wing, satanism..etc.?
It seems to me that you are the considered God.

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