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Lifting The Dole By $50 A Week
Aug 12^th, 2011 at 6:00am

Unemployment on the rise

THE slowing global economy is tipped to push Australia's unemployment rate to its highest level in more than a year as the volatility consuming world markets rocks business confidence.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/unemployment-on-the-rise/story-fn7j19iv-122...

So workers could be unemployed through no fault of their own. Will they protect themselves by demanding the dole be lifted above the poverty line?

WAYNE Swan yesterday rejected a Greens demand that he dump a planned one percentage point cut in corporate tax, saying governments could not spread opportunity without aiding economic growth.

Attacking a proposal by Greens leader Bob Brown to dump the tax cut and instead increase welfare benefits by $50 a week, the Treasurer said governments could improve the lives of citizens only if they created conditions in which business flourished. His comments came as the Greens' proposal caused confusion in opposition ranks, with Tony Abbott offering in-principle support for Labor's tax cut, but two of his frontbenchers opposing it because of its link to Labor's proposed $7.4 billion Mineral Resource Rent Tax

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasurer-defends-corporate-tax...

Abbott: Get tough on the dole

EVERY long-term unemployed Australian would have half their welfare benefits quarantined under reforms being pushed by Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.

He also says Work for the Dole should be compulsory for all people under 50 and that unemployment payments should be scrapped wherever there are too many unfilled, unskilled jobs.

Mr Abbott, who's long backed stricter welfare rules, is due to make the call in a lunchtime address to the Queensland Chamber of Commerce in Brisbane on Thursday.

http://www.whitsundaytimes.com.au/story/2011/03/31/abbott-calls-for-welfare-refo...

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Lifting The Dole By $50 A Week Reply #1 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 6:55am Unemployment benefits need to be lifted by at least $50 a week unless our government want rioters on their hands. It's only a matter of time, you can't suppress people forever and get away with it.
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Reply #2 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 6:58am

I made it through the 80's unemployment explosion, the Asian crisis, the GFC mark 1 and any other down turn in the last 30 years you can mention. I have never had a problem getting a job because i don't care what i do if i am unemployed. Easy answer get a job, move if you have to but stop crying that welfare is to low because that is simply crap. Welfare is a basics to tie you over to your next job, not a lifestyle choice that one can take.

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Reply #3 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:01am

A $50 a week increase is more than reasonable, and is long-overdue.

It is a CRIME that the unemployed haven't received a real-terms increase for TWENTY YEARS.

There is NO VALID EXCUSE for denying the u/e a raise, NONE WHATSOEVER.

Will it take scenes such as we have just witnessed in London before these
smack-KNUCKLES wake up to themselves?

ANY politician who supports this filthy scheme deserves IMMEDIATE dis-endorsement.

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Reply #4 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:08am

I am sorry to say that in this case, Swan is correct.
Pouring more taxpayer dollars into the endless black hole that unemployment benefits represents does nothing to getting people off those benefits.
It merely supports them on enemployment benefits but doesn't support them in getting off those benefits.
But supporting business does realistically create a climate where business can grow, create more jobs and get people off the dole.

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Reply #5 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:11am

nairbe wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 6:58am:

I made it through the 80's unemployment explosion, the Asian crisis, the GFC mark 1 and any other down turn in the last 30 years you can mention. I have never had a problem getting a job because i don't care what i do if i am unemployed. Easy answer get a job, move if you have to but stop crying that welfare is to low because that is simply crap. Welfare is a basics to tie you over to your next job, not a lifestyle choice that one can take.

Always the old 'Get a Job' mantra.

The dole is too low to SURVIVE on. No if or buts. It's TOO LOW.

If the jobs aren't there (and they're NOT), you still need to SURVIVE.

FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES.

All this 'it's not a lifestyle choice' and 'the jobs are out there' crap
is just that. CRAP.

VERY FEW 'choose' to be unemployed, and the jobs are NOT 'out there for the taking'.

ACOSS and other welfare groups have been supporting this increase since before the
GFC, since when the cost of living has skyrocketed, and the ONLY ones to get NO RELIEF
are the unemployed.

THOSE WHO DENY THE U/E AN INCREASE HAVE NO smacking IDEA.

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Reply #6 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:14am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:08am:

I am sorry to say that in this case, Swan is correct.
Pouring more taxpayer dollars into the endless black hole that unemployment benefits represents does nothing to getting people off those benefits.
It merely supports them on enemployment benefits but doesn't support them in getting off those benefits.
But supporting business does realistically create a climate where business can grow, create more jobs and get people off the dole.

Unemployment benefits are no-where NEAR adequate to support ANYONE.

Why is it so hard for some of you to even acknowledge that FACT?

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Reply #7 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:19am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:08am:

I am sorry to say that in this case, Swan is correct.
Pouring more taxpayer dollars into the endless black hole that unemployment benefits represents does nothing to getting people off those benefits.
It merely supports them on enemployment benefits but doesn't support them in getting off those benefits.
But supporting business does realistically create a climate where business can grow, create more jobs and get people off the dole.

Speaking of Black holes, how much tax dollars have been wasted in Afghanistan by Liberals and Labor?

Imagine how much better the economy would be if these billions had been directed to welfare recipients and had been spent in Australia on food and other basics.

Imagine all the jobs this would of created ... In Australia !!!

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Reply #8 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:23am

Unemployment can happen to anyone any time, both young or old. Those that are working today, could be the ones the are unemployed tomorrow. Yes the dole is far to low, and there should be an immediate increase in benefits. I am not saying make it easy for the unemployed, but we have to be fair about it. A fair increase in benefits is long, long overdue. Sad

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Reply #9 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:23am

nairbe wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 6:58am:

I made it through the 80's unemployment explosion, the Asian crisis, the GFC mark 1 and any other down turn in the last 30 years you can mention. I have never had a problem getting a job because i don't care what i do if i am unemployed. Easy answer get a job, move if you have to but stop crying that welfare is to low because that is simply crap. Welfare is a basics to tie you over to your next job, not a lifestyle choice that one can take.

Yes the dole would, if it kept the unemployed and their families above the poverty line.

All the dole is is punishment for the unemployed. Punishment because management and government got it wrong and the workers are the ones that take the blame.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Lifting The Dole By $50 A Week Reply #10 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:24am The problem is, Woody, that facts are wasted on this mob. May as well piss up-wind.
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Reply #11 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:29am

Kat wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:24am:

The problem is, Woody, that facts are wasted on this mob.

May as well piss up-wind.

These same people rejected lifting pensioners out of poverty ... yet by making their opposition public, Liberals then Labor anti pensioners backflipped.

The same thing will happen with this, as more workers realise their job is not that safe.

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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: Lifting The Dole By $50 A Week Reply #12 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:40am id be fine with cutting all the job agencies funding 100% and then using that extra money to raise the dole
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Reply #13 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:44am

____ wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:29am:

Kat wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:24am:

The problem is, Woody, that facts are wasted on this mob.

May as well piss up-wind.

These same people rejected lifting pensioners out of poverty ... yet by making their opposition public, Liberals then Labor anti pensioners backflipped.

The same thing will happen with this, as more workers realise their job is not that safe.

Your right green.
Jobs are not safe under Labor.

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Reply #14 - Aug 12^th, 2011 at 7:48am

In ANY functioning economy, there NEEDS to be a pool of
unemployed workers available to fill the void when people
die, retire, emigrate, are injured, change jobs etc.

Something like the interchange bench in a game of football.

NOW.....

Doesn't it make sense to treat those 'reserves' relatively
well, and keep them healthy and happy?

Or does it make more sense to vilify, denigrate, abuse
and discriminate against them, and deny them enough
funds to live with a bit of dignity, as we do here?

I know which makes more sense to me.

**Just as an aside: - In over 35 years in (and out of) the
work-force, I've only ever met ONE PERSON who fits the
stereotypical 'dole-bludger' pattern. ONE! They are
virtually non-existent, a myth created by Howard as a
weapon against Whitlam (funny how unemployment then
skyrocketed under Fraser/Howard, wasn't it?), and
perpetuated during his time as PM.**

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