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Reply #30 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 12:39pm

NBNMyths wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 5:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 2:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 12:18pm:

how come Noah didn't make enough room on his boat for the dinosaurs ? LOL

With the exception of 'Young Earth Creationists'...I've met lots of Christians who accept both evolution AND fossil evidence of dinosaurs...

The YEC's are a relatively small percentage of Christians.....and even some other Christians think they're pretty dumb...

I wonder how those Christians who are not YEC reconcile the content of Bible with evolution and the scientifically accepted age of the Earth?

It's quite clear that the Bible dates the earth at about 5,000 years. So if a Christian is not a young earth creationist, then they must have decided that parts of the Bible are false. So why believe the rest of it? How do you decide which parts are correct, and which are incorrect?

I think it works along the lines that there is no actual record, in the Bible, of how long the Garden of Eden existed, or for that matter, there's nothing to state that an eternal being would necessarily use a 24 hour day..

The Bible doesn't date the Earth's age at all...the Creation dates were worked out by biblical scholars in the 1600s...

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Reply #31 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:25pm

muso wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 4:09pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 3:12pm:

Duh, duh, duh!!!!!

The scientific process folks....

PRESENT EVIDENCE...Present rocks to an accredited laboratory for radiometric dating.

ANALYSE EVIDENCE...Accredited laboratory uses an approved radiometric dating method to determine the age of the submitted rocks.

SCRUTINISE RESULTS...The use of radiometric dating, to determine the age of those rocks, fails to determine the correct age of those rocks.

Conclusion; Using the process of radiometric dating, to determine the age of rocks is unreliable.

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ABOVE, I present an example of 'the scientific process'; see the details in my post, #6

But not one of you atheists, who claim to worship at the alter of the scientific process, even recognise what the scientific process is!

Isn't 'the scientific process', the use of the rigour of truth in analysis of evidence, to prove or to disprove a hypothesis ???

In post #6 above, i give an example, where a scientific process PROVES that the use of radiometric dating, to determine the age of rocks, fails to reliably determine the correct age of those rocks.

AND NOT ONE OF YOU, IS WILLING TO CONCEDE THAT TRUTH.

1. That's why you can't rely on just one (radiometric) dating procedure.

2. It's outside the establish age range for the technique(K-Ar dating). The whole idea of using that particular technique to date a recent rock is ludicrous given that it's only used for ancient rocks, and it has a standard error of +/- 50 million years for the oldest rocks. Realistically the youngest item that can be dated with that technique is around 100,000 years, but nobody in their right mind would use it for that purpose. At 500,000 years it's is probably more accurate.

The whole test was contrived to attempt to prove a creationist agenda. Generally those technicans carrying out radiometric dating use a variety of techniques. (They use their brains)

muso,

The whole mt_st_helens_dacite dating test was contrived was it ?

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Duh....

'RATIONALIZING' RADIOMETRIC DATES?
Woodmorappe (1999), Swenson, and other YECs frequently accuse geochronologists of 'rationalizing away' any anomalous radiometric dates. However, how is the obvious mess in Austin's Figure 4 a 'rationalization'? Why would we expect a young dacite that is full of zoned phenocrysts to give one uniform date? How is the reality of Bowen's Reaction Series a 'rationalization'? How are the limitations of Geochron's equipment a 'rationalization'?

http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/mt_st_helens_dacite_kh.htm

Did the laboratory know that it was young dacite ???

i.e.
How could ANYONE [besides Austin and Swenson] know that it was young dacite ???

muso,

Scenario;

I submit some [volcanic] rocks [to an accredited laboratory] for dating.
I ostensibly [i.e. in a normal case] would have no idea how old, or, how young, the [volcanic] rocks submitted for dating are.
i.e.! i.e.! i.e.!
The radiometric dating process [itself] is supposed to be able to reliably determine the age of [volcanic] rocks i have submitted for dating!
Surely, that is the whole point of submitting the [volcanic] rocks to a radiometric dating process !!
i.e.! i.e.! i.e.!
To reliably determine the age of the [volcanic] rocks!!

Q.
So why would Austin and Swenson be at fault.....in submitting those young [volcanic] rocks for a radiometric dating process ???

A.
BECAUSE Austin AND Swenson 'SCIENTIFICALLY', DEMONSTRATED A FLAW IN THE METHOD, THAT IS BEING WIDELY USED, TO 'RELIABLY' DETERMINE THE AGE OF ROCKS AND FOSSILS.

Naughty, naughty, Austin and Swenson !!!!

i.e.
Because Austin and Swenson should NOT try to show how a radiometric dating process could be 'misapplied', and thereby commonly obtain unreliable dating results !
Oh no!
/sarc off

And those who say they support the 'scientific process' are all 'up in arms', over the 'deception' perpetrated by Austin and Swenson.

The holy and sacrosanct 'scientific process' - SHOWN TO BE FLAWED.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30089 Gender:	Re: did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Losing the plot Reply #32 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:49pm So when did the dinosaurs become extinct ?? Was it before or after Noahs time or was it that Noah just didn't have enough room for them on his life boat LOL
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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Losing the plot Reply #33 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:51pm Don't you get tired of asking the same stupid question over and over again?
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30089 Gender:	Re: did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Losing the plot Reply #34 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:55pm Frances wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:51pm: Don't you get tired of asking the same stupid question over and over again? then why don't you give a proper answer instead of some drivel that appeals to simpletons.
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Reply #35 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 2:00pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:55pm:

Frances wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:51pm:

Don't you get tired of asking the same stupid question over and over again?

then why don't you give a proper answer instead of some drivel that appeals to simpletons.

I have (and so have a couple of others) given proper answers, but you are not intelligent enough to understand them. Maybe when you graduate to high school we might get somewhere.

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Sure God created man before woman. But then you always make a rough draft before the final masterpiece.

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Losing the plot Reply #36 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 2:02pm Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:49pm: So when did the dinosaurs become extinct ?? Was it before or after Noahs time or was it that Noah just didn't have enough room for them on his life boat LOL Long Long before Noahh's time....ok nails???
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Reply #37 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 2:08pm

Frances wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 2:00pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:55pm:

Frances wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:51pm:

Don't you get tired of asking the same stupid question over and over again?

then why don't you give a proper answer instead of some drivel that appeals to simpletons.

I have (and so have a couple of others) given proper answers, but you are not intelligent enough to understand them. Maybe when you graduate to high school we might get somewhere.

Fran - Nail is a university graduate.

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Reply #38 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 2:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 2:08pm:

Frances wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 2:00pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:55pm:

Frances wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:51pm:

Don't you get tired of asking the same stupid question over and over again?

then why don't you give a proper answer instead of some drivel that appeals to simpletons.

I have (and so have a couple of others) given proper answers, but you are not intelligent enough to understand them. Maybe when you graduate to high school we might get somewhere.

Fran - Nail is a university graduate.

Which doesn't mean anything really Bobby....
Lot's of people with 'higher education' have no basic intelligence or commonsense....

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Reply #39 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 2:16pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 1:49pm:

So when did the dinosaurs become extinct ??

Was it before or after Noahs time or was it that Noah just didn't have enough room for them on his life boat Cheesy

LOL

lastnail,

You appear to be a poster who always asks questions.

And, you appear to be a poster who always ignores responses to your questions.

And why that is, only you would know.

Re questions on Noah and dinosaurs....

lastnail,

You are the one who is a bible expert....

lastnail questions....

"What happened to the dinosaurs and why aren't they described in your bible ??"

"Is Religion compatible with Evolution?"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1312987029/336#336

Job 40:15
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Losing the plot Reply #41 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:12pm Quote: Fran - Nail is a university graduate. who is impressed by this anymore?
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Losing the plot Reply #42 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:18pm barnaby joe wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:12pm: Quote: Fran - Nail is a university graduate. who is impressed by this anymore? Bobby???
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Reply #43 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:27pm

barnaby joe wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:12pm:

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Fran - Nail is a university graduate.

who is impressed by this anymore?

Exactly so. Grin

IMO, much of the 'education system' today seems directed towards teaching children 'knowledge' which has been already 'discovered', and 'science' which is already 'known' [....and seems to encourage a 'culture' of the ridiculing of what is 'obviously' outside of current PC knowledge] .

IMO, shouldn't an education system be teaching, and encouraging, children how to independently think for themselves, and how to question every assumption ?

Yadda - who didn't get past high school.

But i can read and write, and i know which way is UP. Grin

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Re: did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Losing the plot
Reply #44 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:36pm

NBNMyths wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 5:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 2:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 12:18pm:

how come Noah didn't make enough room on his boat for the dinosaurs ? LOL

With the exception of 'Young Earth Creationists'...I've met lots of Christians who accept both evolution AND fossil evidence of dinosaurs...

The YEC's are a relatively small percentage of Christians.....and even some other Christians think they're pretty dumb...

I wonder how those Christians who are not YEC reconcile the content of Bible with evolution and the scientifically accepted age of the Earth?

It's quite clear that the Bible dates the earth at about 5,000 years. So if a Christian is not a young earth creationist, then they must have decided that parts of the Bible are false. So why believe the rest of it? How do you decide which parts are correct, and which are incorrect?

It makes NO such assertion. in fact im the time it was written dates were rarely used and even then in the form of 'XX year in the reign of King XXX'

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