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Reply #60 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:03pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:01pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:59pm:

I hope you noticed that I actually DID answer your question re: dinosaurs and noah, nails....

I didn't see it. Did they become extinct before or after Noah ??

Long long before...

Before the Cretaceous Tertiary I assume ??

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Reply #61 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:09pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:50pm:

.......Some commentators suggest that the entire passage is largely figurative, and may refer to no real creature (living or extinct), but rather a mythical creature or entirely metaphorical one.....

LOL

Dinosaurs in the bible, are prolly just a myth, like the existence of that guy called Jesus is prolly just a myth.

TRUTH...

How easy the scoffers are able to dismiss the 'apparent', when what is apparent, offends their worldview.

Job 40:15
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

And he [behemoth] doesn't even have a tail like a tree, either.

He only moves his tail, like a tree.

All is not what it seems. Grin

Honest!

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Reply #62 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:14pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:08pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:03pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:01pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:59pm:

I hope you noticed that I actually DID answer your question re: dinosaurs and noah, nails....

I didn't see it. Did they become extinct before or after Noah ??

Long long before...

Before the Cretaceous Tertiary I assume ??

Basically....although a few species did hang on after it....crocodilians being the major group...

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Reply #63 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:23pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:07pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:00pm:

so the speed of light 6000 years ago was ??

very probably exactly what it is NOW.

..And the decay rates of the various elements (carbon-14, Argon etc) would also have been the same.....
The alternative is that 'God' is a sh1tstirrer and changes stuff, just to confuse us....which of course, goes against the whole 'Benevolent Father' figure idea....

So giz, the speed of light is always constant, and always has been ???

And the speed of light is NEVER affected by the environment which that light passes through ???

e.g.
Gravity, has no effect upon the speed of light ???

Right ?

"gravitational well" speed of light

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Reply #64 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:32pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:07pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:00pm:

so the speed of light 6000 years ago was ??

very probably exactly what it is NOW.

..And the decay rates of the various elements (carbon-14, Argon etc) would also have been the same.....
The alternative is that 'God' is a sh1tstirrer and changes stuff, just to confuse us....which of course, goes against the whole 'Benevolent Father' figure idea....

So giz, the speed of light is always constant, and always has been ???

And the speed of light is NEVER affected by the environment which that light passes through ???

e.g.
Gravity, has no effect upon the speed of light ???

Right ?

"gravitational well" speed of light

No not really...the Speed of Light is a constant...within certain limits, which are described in the relevant theories....

"Gravitational time dilation is the effect of time passing at different rates in regions of different gravitational potential; the lower the gravitational potential, the more slowly time passes. Albert Einstein originally predicted this effect in his theory of relativity and it has since been confirmed by tests of general relativity."

And since gravity on Earth was the same 6000 yrs ago as it is today (as far as we can tell) the the speed of light on Earth would also have been the same 6000 yrs ago, as it is today....

Everyone knows about the differences due to zero gravity and black holes etc.....even mentioning them will just make you look desperate and stupid, ok??

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Reply #66 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

the speed of light is usually noted as 'in a vacuum'. the speed of light thru various gases is slower and has even been slowed to 60km/hr! Even Ernie would be happy that light isnt speeding!

Exactly.....the 'sol' theories already include the variants for gravity, gases etc....so the 'constant' rule does still apply and most likely also applied 'equally' 6000 years ago....There's no deviation usable by YECs....

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Reply #67 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:28pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

the speed of light is usually noted as 'in a vacuum'. the speed of light thru various gases is slower and has even been slowed to 60km/hr! Even Ernie would be happy that light isnt speeding!

Exactly.....the 'sol' theories already include the variants for gravity, gases etc....so the 'constant' rule does still apply and most likely also applied 'equally' 6000 years ago....There's no deviation usable by YECs....

it is unlikely the speed of light was different at any time in the past. perhaps very slightly due to univere expansion but still miniscule and virtually impossible to prove.

Gizmo, you might be interested in one experiemtn on slowing the speed of light that turned one rule of physics on its head. It involved a tube containing various gases and semi transarent materials and measuring the speed of light in the tube. Most of the experiments were interesting but unremarkable until one gas came up with the following: The photon of light exited the tube BEFORE it entered. Cause and effect is a principle of science. and now we have it turned on its head. Quantum mechanics cna mess with your head but this was a truly fascinating experiment.

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Reply #68 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

the speed of light is usually noted as 'in a vacuum'. the speed of light thru various gases is slower and has even been slowed to 60km/hr! Even Ernie would be happy that light isnt speeding!

Exactly.....the 'sol' theories already include the variants for gravity, gases etc....so the 'constant' rule does still apply and most likely also applied 'equally' 6000 years ago....There's no deviation usable by YECs....

it is unlikely the speed of light was different at any time in the past. perhaps very slightly due to univere expansion but still miniscule and virtually impossible to prove.

Gizmo, you might be interested in one experiemtn on slowing the speed of light that turned one rule of physics on its head. It involved a tube containing various gases and semi transarent materials and measuring the speed of light in the tube. Most of the experiments were interesting but unremarkable until one gas came up with the following: The photon of light exited the tube BEFORE it entered. Cause and effect is a principle of science. and now we have it turned on its head. Quantum mechanics cna mess with your head but this was a truly fascinating experiment.

Yes, I think I heard or read about that one...time travel involving the speed of light...

The only reason I'm even mentioning this is to poke holes in Yadda's 'Young Earth' theories....and the 'dinosaurs coexisted with man' bullshit...

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Reply #69 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:58pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

the speed of light is usually noted as 'in a vacuum'. the speed of light thru various gases is slower and has even been slowed to 60km/hr! Even Ernie would be happy that light isnt speeding!

Exactly.....the 'sol' theories already include the variants for gravity, gases etc....so the 'constant' rule does still apply and most likely also applied 'equally' 6000 years ago....There's no deviation usable by YECs....

it is unlikely the speed of light was different at any time in the past. perhaps very slightly due to univere expansion but still miniscule and virtually impossible to prove.

Gizmo, you might be interested in one experiemtn on slowing the speed of light that turned one rule of physics on its head. It involved a tube containing various gases and semi transarent materials and measuring the speed of light in the tube. Most of the experiments were interesting but unremarkable until one gas came up with the following: The photon of light exited the tube BEFORE it entered. Cause and effect is a principle of science. and now we have it turned on its head. Quantum mechanics cna mess with your head but this was a truly fascinating experiment.

Yes, I think I heard or read about that one...time travel involving the speed of light...

The only reason I'm even mentioning this is to poke holes in Yadda's 'Young Earth' theories....and the 'dinosaurs coexisted with man' bullshit...

My main point is that the Bible says NOTHING explicitly about dinosaurs. it does talk about 'monsters form the deep' etc from around 3000 years ago but that could be anything. We have a saying in biblical exegisis: where the Bible speaks, we speak; where it is silent, we are silent. IN other words, dont make up stuff! amazing how hard that is for some people from all walks of life and experience.

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Reply #70 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 6:59pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:07pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:00pm:

so the speed of light 6000 years ago was ??

very probably exactly what it is NOW.

..And the decay rates of the various elements (carbon-14, Argon etc) would also have been the same.....
The alternative is that 'God' is a sh1tstirrer and changes stuff, just to confuse us....which of course, goes against the whole 'Benevolent Father' figure idea....

So giz, the speed of light is always constant, and always has been ???

And the speed of light is NEVER affected by the environment which that light passes through ???

e.g.
Gravity, has no effect upon the speed of light ???

Right ?

"gravitational well" speed of light

so how old is the universe according to your bible ??

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Reply #71 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 7:03pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

the speed of light is usually noted as 'in a vacuum'. the speed of light thru various gases is slower and has even been slowed to 60km/hr! Even Ernie would be happy that light isnt speeding!

Exactly.....the 'sol' theories already include the variants for gravity, gases etc....so the 'constant' rule does still apply and most likely also applied 'equally' 6000 years ago....There's no deviation usable by YECs....

it is unlikely the speed of light was different at any time in the past. perhaps very slightly due to univere expansion but still miniscule and virtually impossible to prove.

Gizmo, you might be interested in one experiemtn on slowing the speed of light that turned one rule of physics on its head. It involved a tube containing various gases and semi transarent materials and measuring the speed of light in the tube. Most of the experiments were interesting but unremarkable until one gas came up with the following: The photon of light exited the tube BEFORE it entered. Cause and effect is a principle of science. and now we have it turned on its head. Quantum mechanics cna mess with your head but this was a truly fascinating experiment.

Yes, I think I heard or read about that one...time travel involving the speed of light...

The only reason I'm even mentioning this is to poke holes in Yadda's 'Young Earth' theories....and the 'dinosaurs coexisted with man' bullshit...

add to that, no terrestrial bodies can be more than 6000 light years away from the earth Wink

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Reply #72 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 10:44pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 7:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

the speed of light is usually noted as 'in a vacuum'. the speed of light thru various gases is slower and has even been slowed to 60km/hr! Even Ernie would be happy that light isnt speeding!

Exactly.....the 'sol' theories already include the variants for gravity, gases etc....so the 'constant' rule does still apply and most likely also applied 'equally' 6000 years ago....There's no deviation usable by YECs....

it is unlikely the speed of light was different at any time in the past. perhaps very slightly due to univere expansion but still miniscule and virtually impossible to prove.

Gizmo, you might be interested in one experiemtn on slowing the speed of light that turned one rule of physics on its head. It involved a tube containing various gases and semi transarent materials and measuring the speed of light in the tube. Most of the experiments were interesting but unremarkable until one gas came up with the following: The photon of light exited the tube BEFORE it entered. Cause and effect is a principle of science. and now we have it turned on its head. Quantum mechanics cna mess with your head but this was a truly fascinating experiment.

Yes, I think I heard or read about that one...time travel involving the speed of light...

The only reason I'm even mentioning this is to poke holes in Yadda's 'Young Earth' theories....and the 'dinosaurs coexisted with man' bullshit...

add to that, no terrestrial bodies can be more than 6000 light years away from the earth Wink

LOL

Well technically, NO terrestrial bodies can exist away from the earth at all...

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Reply #74 - Aug 17^th, 2011 at 8:05am

Frances wrote on Aug 17^th, 2011 at 12:13am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 10:44pm:

Well technically, NO terrestrial bodies can exist away from the earth at all...

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So you're with the landing on the moon all done with smoke and mirrors crowd?

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