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Reply #90 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 9:28am

Grey wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 1:48am:

or as others have put it.

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christianity -

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Christianity&page=3

And climate change is inconceivable to these people...

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Reply #91 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 12:34pm

azulene wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 9:28am:

Grey wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 1:48am:

or as others have put it.

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christianity -

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Christianity&page=3

And climate change is inconceivable to these people...

And the idea that man and only man is responsible for climate change is inconceivable to a lot of atheists too...

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Reply #92 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 1:37pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 12:34pm:

azulene wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 9:28am:

Grey wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 1:48am:

or as others have put it.

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christianity -

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Christianity&page=3

And climate change is inconceivable to these people...

And the idea that man and only man is responsible for climate change is inconceivable to a lot of atheists too...

In the 150 year time frame yes, it's all man's doing.

In the geological time frame that's a different story. Maybe this concept they are confused about?

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Reply #93 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 1:59pm

azulene wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 12:34pm:

azulene wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 9:28am:

Grey wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 1:48am:

or as others have put it.

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christianity -

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Christianity&page=3

And climate change is inconceivable to these people...

And the idea that man and only man is responsible for climate change is inconceivable to a lot of atheists too...

In the 150 year time frame yes, it's all man's doing.

In the geological time frame that's a different story. Maybe this concept they are confused about?

So 150 years ago, all natural variation in the global climate.....just STOPPED, and man's actions are the only thing now causing changes to climate and weather????

It's no wonder people don't swallow this tripe...

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #94 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 2:21pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:08pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:03pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:01pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:59pm:

I hope you noticed that I actually DID answer your question re: dinosaurs and noah, nails....

I didn't see it. Did they become extinct before or after Noah ??

Long long before...

Before the Cretaceous Tertiary I assume ??

What's the Cretaceous Tertiary? Is that like the Cretaceous Period, which was the last period of the Mesozoic era?

But yes, the Cretaceous period was the last geological period for the dinosaurs. Tyrannosaurus Rex was Cretaceous.

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Reply #95 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 2:22pm

muso wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 2:21pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:08pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:03pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 4:01pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:59pm:

I hope you noticed that I actually DID answer your question re: dinosaurs and noah, nails....

I didn't see it. Did they become extinct before or after Noah ??

Long long before...

Before the Cretaceous Tertiary I assume ??

What's the Cretaceous Tertiary? Is that like the Cretaceous Period, which was the last period of the Mesozoic era?

The Cretaceous Tertiary was the mass extinction at the end of the Cretaceous Period...

The mass die-off of the sauropods and larger therapod dinosaurs

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Losing the plot Reply #96 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 2:23pm Ah - I see what he means now - the KT boundary .
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Reply #98 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 3:45pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 17^th, 2011 at 11:42am:

boogieman wrote on Aug 17^th, 2011 at 8:28am:

Grey wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Science says -

"Dinosaurs (from Greek: δεινός terrible or potent, and σαύρα lizard) are a diverse group of animals that were the dominant terrestrial vertebrates for over 160 million years, from the late Triassic period (about 230 million years ago) until the end of the Cretaceous (about 65 million years ago), "

"Humans (known taxonomically as Homo sapiens,[3][4] Latin for "wise man" or "knowing man")[5] are the only living species in the Homo genus of bipedal primates in Hominidae, the great ape family. Anatomically modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago, reaching full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago."

Creationists say - http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080620161223AAm1e72

That yahoo answers lists the creationist answer as the best is a worry. In fact googling [Dinosaur + man] in various combos gives very little in the way of a scientific view.

Is this evidence of regression?

But they did co exist. Only in "The Flintstones" though. Maybe the creationists think that is a documentary cartoon series?

Evidence of regression? Don't know about that but I have to say it seems to be largely confined to the USA. And the more I see of the USA the more I suspect the gene pool is pretty shallow. Lots of inbreeding may be the problem.

You know, I had an argument, discussion? no chance, with A few Creationists on a web site about the whole issue.

When I raised dinosaurs as evidence that the world was more than 6000 years old you would not believe what they wrote back.

Apparently there has been a conspiracy of archeologists for the last 100 years where they have een creating and burying fake dinosaur skeletons all around the world.

I smacked my forehead with my hand and said to myself "Of course. It's so obvious, why didn't I see it?"

Regression? Those people make rocks look intelligent and cheese a genius.

That's proof of why religious instruction should be discouraged and scorned at. However the church institutions have an ulterior motive to spreading such lies and that is to steal as much money from its gullible parishioners as it can Sad

Hey, Listen up. I've just about had enough of this. Fred and Barney are real and so are Wilma and Betty. Hell, they were even in a movie. I won't take any more lies about them and their dinosaur. They were a great team and always will be!!

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Reply #99 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 3:48pm

Frances wrote on Aug 17^th, 2011 at 1:10pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 17^th, 2011 at 11:42am:

That's proof of why religious instruction should be discouraged and scorned at.

No it isn't. Your whole argument is an ad hominem fallacy, or at very best guilt by association. Your reasoning is pathetic.

There there. Consider I've just patted you on the head to calm you down. Go back to reading your comics, err Bible and try not to get upset again. You know the head nurse is worried about your behaviour at this hospital, the Ad Hominem home for fallacious believers.

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Reply #100 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 3:55pm

Hello,

This is directed to all those of you who believe in God. Firstly I ask you a question, simple one.

Have you read the Bible?

If you have and you are confident in your belief let's engage in a discussion about this topic.

Are you up for it or just another group of people who are willing to say something but can't back it up.

I should warn you that the last person to take up my challenge lost her faith blamed me for that. Go figure.

Are you ready to test your faith and beliefs? I bet you are not so show us, the non believers, your fear and lack of commitment and avoid my challenge to you.

I am deadly serious and there will be no mocking of snide remarks etc. Just a real discussion where I ask you to listen, think and answer as I shall.

Anyone? Anyone?

Don't be stressed if I take a while getting back to you, I will. I just have a family and a life too you see.

If you do want to do this could you please start with a statement of your beliefs about God, Jesus and the Bible and anything else that you think is a part of it for you.?

Thank you.

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Reply #101 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 4:38pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 1:59pm:

azulene wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 12:34pm:

azulene wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 9:28am:

Grey wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 1:48am:

or as others have put it.

Quote:

christianity -

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Christianity&page=3

And climate change is inconceivable to these people...

And the idea that man and only man is responsible for climate change is inconceivable to a lot of atheists too...

In the 150 year time frame yes, it's all man's doing.

In the geological time frame that's a different story. Maybe this concept they are confused about?

So 150 years ago, all natural variation in the global climate.....just STOPPED, and man's actions are the only thing now causing changes to climate and weather????

It's no wonder people don't swallow this tripe...

Let me put it like this, with the help of some Priests...

The geological timeframe is big and gradual (usually stated in tens or hundreds of millions of years). 150 years is pretty much insignificant geologically so in that time the natural diference would be almost immeasurable. We have however increased CO2 by 40% in 150 years. This has never been observed in natural records.

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Reply #103 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 8:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 3:36pm:

NBNMyths wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 5:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 2:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 12:18pm:

how come Noah didn't make enough room on his boat for the dinosaurs ? LOL

With the exception of 'Young Earth Creationists'...I've met lots of Christians who accept both evolution AND fossil evidence of dinosaurs...

The YEC's are a relatively small percentage of Christians.....and even some other Christians think they're pretty dumb...

I wonder how those Christians who are not YEC reconcile the content of Bible with evolution and the scientifically accepted age of the Earth?

It's quite clear that the Bible dates the earth at about 5,000 years. So if a Christian is not a young earth creationist, then they must have decided that parts of the Bible are false. So why believe the rest of it? How do you decide which parts are correct, and which are incorrect?

It makes NO such assertion. in fact im the time it was written dates were rarely used and even then in the form of 'XX year in the reign of King XXX'

Perhaps I should have been more clear. While the Bible doesn't specifically say what year the Earth was "created", that data can be calculated with reasonable accuracy by using other known times and durations that are given in the bible. Numerous Biblical scholars (eg Ussher) have made such a calculation, and the dates are invariably in the "thousands of years" scale when determined by information in the Bible.

While it's quite plausible that these estimates may be out by a few thousand years, there is no way they are out by a few billion years, which they would have to be for the YEC hypothesis to be taken seriously.

There is no plausible way that one could argue the bible depicts events which took place (as we know they did) billions of years ago.

Hence, many parts of the bible are demonstrably false. So, my question stands: How do Christians decide which parts of the Bible they believe, and which ones they don't?

And for that matter, how do they decide which moral judgements and positions should be adopted, and which should be left in the past? Do we still think rapists should be forced to marry their victims, for example? (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

The list of contradictions in the Bible are enough to make anyone's head spin, so how does one explain them and decide which of the contradictory statements is the correct one?
http://www.evilbible.com/contradictions.htm

I'm being quite serious here. Trying to be somewhat objective, if someone presented you with a single book (whose origin is only explained by itself) as evidence, and on the opposing side you had the weight of scientific research and evidence, which side would you believe?

Let's face it people, the Bible is a wonderful storybook written by primitive, imperfect beings. It presents some good morals for society and I agree with many of the positions expressed therein. However, this does not change the fact that as a factually-accurate source of historical information it is sorely lacking. The Bible's demonstrable inaccuracies grow larger with every new scientific discovery. This is possibly why Christianity is a slowly dying religion and secularism is the fastest growing "religious" group in the developed World today.

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