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If Evolution is "Just a theory"...
Aug 22nd, 2011 at 1:12am
 

Then how the hell are we able to halt a chickens development in the Egg at an earlier stage in its evolution?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112431-Scientists-Monkey-With-Evolutio...

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    Abzhanov started by trying to pinpoint the gene changes that led to the myriad beak shapes of Galapagos finches. In 2004, he showed that all the finches share a handful of genes crucial to beak development, but instructions for the signalling molecules they control vary from bird to bird. Abzhanov realised that a similar process might underlie the much bigger evolutionary shift from snouts to beaks.

    The tip of an alligator snout is made of a separate set of paired bones called the premaxillary, but in birds, these have fused with the main of the upper jaw to form a single, sharp bone.

    Abzhanov scanned signalling molecules in alligator and chick embryos and found that two of them -- known as sonic hedgehog and fibroblast growth factor 8 -- show up before the snout and beak form. In gators, however, the molecules were only present along the sides of the face. Chicks express them both at the sides and centre of the developing face. What would happen, he wondered, if he turned that central expression off?

    He developed a gel bead full of proteins that stick to the signalling molecules and deactivate them. As the molecules arrived at the centre of the embryonic chick face -- around day 5 -- Abzhanov added his bead to the mix. Sure enough, the chicks developed paired bones. "It looks exactly like a snout looks in an alligator [at this stage]," says Abzhanov.
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Re: If Evolution is "Just a theory"...
Reply #1 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 7:16am
 
You think chickens came from alligators?

Is this an observation or an interpretation?
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Because god gave us free will and a magic text book.  Grin
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Reply #3 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 8:52am
 
Evolution is a change over time.

Playing with genetic make up is not evolution, its scientific interference.

To call the halting of growth evolution shows you dont actually understand it at all.

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Re: If Evolution is "Just a theory"...
Reply #4 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 7:16am:
You think chickens came from alligators?

Is this an observation or an interpretation?



No, chickens, along with all birds came from the smaller Dromaeosauridae class of theropod dinosaurs, where as alligators are members of the Crocodilia class of reptiles...
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Re: If Evolution is "Just a theory"...
Reply #5 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 1:17pm
 
Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 8:52am:
Evolution is a change over time.

Playing with genetic make up is not evolution, its scientific interference.

To call the halting of growth evolution shows you dont actually understand it at all.


A few scientists have been experimenting with reactivating 'unused' dna in chicken embryos. It was done to see if birds really are linked to dinosaurs and seems to work.......One researcher even manage to turn on the genes for long tails (like T-rex and Raptors) and for the carnivore style teeth (or tooth buds) in chicken embryos..
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Re: If Evolution is "Just a theory"...
Reply #6 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 4:50pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 1:17pm:
Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 8:52am:
Evolution is a change over time.

Playing with genetic make up is not evolution, its scientific interference.

To call the halting of growth evolution shows you dont actually understand it at all.


A few scientists have been experimenting with reactivating 'unused' dna in chicken embryos. It was done to see if birds really are linked to dinosaurs and seems to work.......One researcher even manage to turn on the genes for long tails (like T-rex and Raptors) and for the carnivore style teeth (or tooth buds) in chicken embryos..



You know that one of the links they used to link that are gone now right ?
I will try and find the article. Was about 3 weeks ago on one of the news sites.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/charles-darwin-may-have-just-lost-evolu...

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Reply #7 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 10:12pm
 
Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 4:50pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 1:17pm:
Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 8:52am:
Evolution is a change over time.

Playing with genetic make up is not evolution, its scientific interference.

To call the halting of growth evolution shows you dont actually understand it at all.


A few scientists have been experimenting with reactivating 'unused' dna in chicken embryos. It was done to see if birds really are linked to dinosaurs and seems to work.......One researcher even manage to turn on the genes for long tails (like T-rex and Raptors) and for the carnivore style teeth (or tooth buds) in chicken embryos..



You know that one of the links they used to link that are gone now right ?
I will try and find the article. Was about 3 weeks ago on one of the news sites.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/charles-darwin-may-have-just-lost-evolu...

feathered dinosaur


Yeah, I already knew that...
Archaeopteryx was always classed as the precursor to birds, and no one ever suggested it could fly....

There's some evidence floating around that some species of raptors had a sort of proto-feather as well.....not for flight, but for temperature control.

I didn't get the chickenosaur thing off the internet, it was from a doco about dinosaurs...
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Re: If Evolution is "Just a theory"...
Reply #8 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 11:12pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 7:16am:
You think chickens came from alligators?

Is this an observation or an interpretation?



No, chickens, along with all birds came from the smaller Dromaeosauridae class of theropod dinosaurs, where as alligators are members of the Crocodilia class of reptiles...


Speaking of dinosaurs, Mr. Science, care to explain in 100 words or less how the Jurassic was so efffing hot, if CO2 doesn't cause warming? Roll Eyes

Seriously, you are as bad if not worse than an evolution sceptic, the form of thinking you subscribe from is cut from the exact same cloth.
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So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #9 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 7:22am
 
astro_surf wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 11:12pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 7:16am:
You think chickens came from alligators?

Is this an observation or an interpretation?



No, chickens, along with all birds came from the smaller Dromaeosauridae class of theropod dinosaurs, where as alligators are members of the Crocodilia class of reptiles...


Speaking of dinosaurs, Mr. Science, care to explain in 100 words or less how the Jurassic was so efffing hot, if CO2 doesn't cause warming? Roll Eyes

Seriously, you are as bad if not worse than an evolution sceptic, the form of thinking you subscribe from is cut from the exact same cloth.


I think one of the main reasons was different land masses and different ocean flows.
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Reply #10 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 9:52am
 
astro_surf wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 11:12pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 7:16am:
You think chickens came from alligators?

Is this an observation or an interpretation?



No, chickens, along with all birds came from the smaller Dromaeosauridae class of theropod dinosaurs, where as alligators are members of the Crocodilia class of reptiles...


Speaking of dinosaurs, Mr. Science, care to explain in 100 words or less how the Jurassic was so efffing hot, if CO2 doesn't cause warming? Roll Eyes

Seriously, you are as bad if not worse than an evolution sceptic, the form of thinking you subscribe from is cut from the exact same cloth.


How do you explain the Carboniferous Period having the same temperature as the Jurassic, when the Co2 was between 4500ppm and 7000ppm, when the Co2 levels in the Jurassic had dropped to 1100ppm????
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Reply #11 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 11:45am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2011 at 9:52am:
astro_surf wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 11:12pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 7:16am:
You think chickens came from alligators?

Is this an observation or an interpretation?



No, chickens, along with all birds came from the smaller Dromaeosauridae class of theropod dinosaurs, where as alligators are members of the Crocodilia class of reptiles...


Speaking of dinosaurs, Mr. Science, care to explain in 100 words or less how the Jurassic was so efffing hot, if CO2 doesn't cause warming? Roll Eyes

Seriously, you are as bad if not worse than an evolution sceptic, the form of thinking you subscribe from is cut from the exact same cloth.


How do you explain the Carboniferous Period having the same temperature as the Jurassic, when the Co2 was between 4500ppm and 7000ppm, when the Co2 levels in the Jurassic had dropped to 1100ppm????


CO2 isn't the only thing that warms or cools the earth. Changes in Earths orbit, changes in the Sun and changes in continental drift all affect global temperature.

But having said that, all things being equal, if we increase the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere then we will increase the global temperature.
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Reply #12 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 12:52pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 23rd, 2011 at 11:45am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2011 at 9:52am:
astro_surf wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 11:12pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 1:13pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 7:16am:
You think chickens came from alligators?

Is this an observation or an interpretation?



No, chickens, along with all birds came from the smaller Dromaeosauridae class of theropod dinosaurs, where as alligators are members of the Crocodilia class of reptiles...


Speaking of dinosaurs, Mr. Science, care to explain in 100 words or less how the Jurassic was so efffing hot, if CO2 doesn't cause warming? Roll Eyes

Seriously, you are as bad if not worse than an evolution sceptic, the form of thinking you subscribe from is cut from the exact same cloth.


How do you explain the Carboniferous Period having the same temperature as the Jurassic, when the Co2 was between 4500ppm and 7000ppm, when the Co2 levels in the Jurassic had dropped to 1100ppm????


CO2 isn't the only thing that warms or cools the earth. Changes in Earths orbit, changes in the Sun and changes in continental drift all affect global temperature.

But having said that, all things being equal, if we increase the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere then we will increase the global temperature.


Whoever said all things are 'equal'???
I view Co2 as an insulator...it regulates temperature, so if we increase the concentration....but the 'heat source' cools, then the global temperature will cool, but at a slower rate, and if the 'heat source' warms, then the global temperature will rise, again at a slower rate...
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Reply #13 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 9:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2011 at 7:22am:
I think one of the main reasons was different land masses and different ocean flows.


Yeah, that's not right at all

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The Berriasian epoch showed a cooling trend that had been seen in the last epoch of the Jurassic. There is evidence that snowfalls were common in the higher latitudes and the tropics became wetter than during the Triassic and Jurassic.[7] Glaciation was however restricted to alpine glaciers on some high-latitude mountains, though seasonal snow may have existed farther south. Rafting by ice of stones into marine environments occurred during much of the Cretaceous but evidence of deposition directly from glaciers is limited to the Early Cretaceous of the Eromanga Basin in southern Australia.[8][9]
After the end of the Berriasian, however, temperatures increased again, and these conditions were almost constant until the end of the period.[7] This trend was due to intense volcanic activity which produced large quantities of carbon dioxide. The production of large quantities of magma, variously attributed to mantle plumes or to extensional tectonics,[10] further pushed sea levels up, so that large areas of the continental crust were covered with shallow seas. The Tethys Sea connecting the tropical oceans east to west also helped in warming the global climate. Warm-adapted plant fossils are known from localities as far north as Alaska and Greenland, while dinosaur fossils have been found within 15 degrees of the Cretaceous south pole.[11]
A very gentle temperature gradient from the equator to the poles meant weaker global winds, contributing to less upwelling and more stagnant oceans than today. This is evidenced by widespread black shale deposition and frequent anoxic events.[12] Sediment cores show that tropical sea surface temperatures may have briefly been as warm as 42 °C (107 °F), 17 °C (31 °F) warmer than at present, and that they averaged around 37 °C (99 °F). Meanwhile deep ocean temperatures were as much as 15 to 20 °C (27 to 36 °F) higher than today's.[13][14]

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So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #14 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 9:37pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2011 at 9:52am:
How do you explain the Carboniferous Period having the same temperature as the Jurassic, when the Co2 was between 4500ppm and 7000ppm, when the Co2 levels in the Jurassic had dropped to 1100ppm????


http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-higher-in-past.htm
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So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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