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Re: Is Religion doomed to irrelevence in Australia?
Reply #45 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:55pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:32pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:20pm:

<< bows her head in prayer >>

Dear God

Would you PLEASE end this long running online feud btwn my friends Longweekend and Bobby as well as Last Nail. I know that I'm expecting a miracle here .. but it's ever so tiresome and I hate being caught up in the middle all the time. Amen

PS Please expedite this request.

The mere fact that God never answers this prayer and others like it is more proof that your god does not exist Wink

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How do you know that God isnt already answering this prayer Mr Last Nail?

Have you been personally checking all His prayer request logs?

For the same reason that god never calls the fire brigade

1) God is defined as being omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
(see the definition at http://www.bartleby.com/61/21/G0172100.html)

2) An omniscient God would know of every house fire in the world.

3) An omnipotent God would be able to call the fire department when he saw a house fire.

4) A morally perfect God would call the fire department when he saw a house fire.

5) God never calls the fire department.

6) Therefore God doesn't exist.

As it so happens .. the Bible canvasses this very same issue (the issue of tempting Jesus to PROVE His power).

Matthew 4

After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.

The devil came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Jesus answered, “It is written: Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.”

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.

“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’

WOW. brilliant response and I am embarrassed that as a Biblical Scholar I didnt jump on that at the first opportunity!

Longweekend .. it matters not if we are Bible Scholars or not .. esp in view of the fact that in times past God has seen fit to use a lowly donkey and even simple fishermen to speak on His behalf.

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Re: Is Religion doomed to irrelevence in Australia?
Reply #46 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:58pm:

Longweekend,
Quote:

WOW. brilliant response and I am embarrassed that as a Biblical Scholar
I didnt jump on that at the first opportunity!

What else are you Longweekend?
It seems like you have Walter Mitty Syndrome. Grin

I know to a person of your limited intellegence, education and experience that it might appear unlikely that a person of 50 might have more than one ability. But to the rest of us, we know that most people have expertise in a variety of fields and endeavours. not all of us are as limited as you and toenail.

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Re: Is Religion doomed to irrelevence in Australia?
Reply #47 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:04pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:55pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:32pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:20pm:

<< bows her head in prayer >>

Dear God

Would you PLEASE end this long running online feud btwn my friends Longweekend and Bobby as well as Last Nail. I know that I'm expecting a miracle here .. but it's ever so tiresome and I hate being caught up in the middle all the time. Amen

PS Please expedite this request.

The mere fact that God never answers this prayer and others like it is more proof that your god does not exist Wink

LOL

How do you know that God isnt already answering this prayer Mr Last Nail?

Have you been personally checking all His prayer request logs?

For the same reason that god never calls the fire brigade

1) God is defined as being omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
(see the definition at http://www.bartleby.com/61/21/G0172100.html)

2) An omniscient God would know of every house fire in the world.

3) An omnipotent God would be able to call the fire department when he saw a house fire.

4) A morally perfect God would call the fire department when he saw a house fire.

5) God never calls the fire department.

6) Therefore God doesn't exist.

As it so happens .. the Bible canvasses this very same issue (the issue of tempting Jesus to PROVE His power).

Matthew 4

After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.

The devil came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Jesus answered, “It is written: Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.”

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.

“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’

WOW. brilliant response and I am embarrassed that as a Biblical Scholar I didnt jump on that at the first opportunity!

Longweekend .. it matters not if we are Bible Scholars or not .. esp in view of the fact that in times past God has seen fit to use a lowly donkey and even simple fishermen to speak on His behalf.

very true. it was an excellent response tho. Thanks. It seems that people want proof of His power - not his existance. Perhaps that is why God chooses to speak softly and the only ones that hear are those that are listening.

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Re: Is Religion doomed to irrelevence in Australia?
Reply #48 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:05pm

muso wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 4:43pm:

Muso .. it all comes down to the fact that in Australia people have the freedom to choose how they wish to identify themselves.

It's been like that for some time.

I know I would not want it any other way.

Fully agree. I think Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights is a good model. We may need to adopt something similar in Australia.

Article 9 includes the freedom to change a religion or belief, and to manifest a religion or belief in worship, teaching, practice and observance, subject to certain restrictions that are "in accordance with law" and "necessary in a democratic society"

Sounds pretty meaningless to me - you have the freedom to practice, unless those who wish to take it away from you declare it to be necessary.

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Reply #49 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:04pm:

very true. it was an excellent response tho. Thanks. It seems that people want proof of His power - not his existance. Perhaps that is why God chooses to speak softly and the only ones that hear are those that are listening.

Proof of either will do Wink

where is it ??

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Reply #50 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:58pm:

Longweekend,
Quote:

WOW. brilliant response and I am embarrassed that as a Biblical Scholar
I didnt jump on that at the first opportunity!

What else are you Longweekend?
It seems like you have Walter Mitty Syndrome. Grin

I know to a person of your limited intellegence, education and experience that it might appear unlikely that a person of 50 might have more than one ability. But to the rest of us, we know that most people have expertise in a variety of fields and endeavours. not all of us are as limited as you and toenail.

so what expert will you be tomorrow ?? Cheesy

LOL

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Reply #51 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:03pm:

I know to a person of your limited intellegence, education and experience that it might appear unlikely that a person of 50 might have more than one ability. But to the rest of us, we know that most people have expertise in a variety of fields and endeavours. not all of us are as limited as you and toenail.

Intelligence - at least I can spell it - what a loser you are Longweekend. Grin

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Reply #52 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:10pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

Longweekend .. it matters not if we are Bible Scholars or not .. esp in view of the fact that in times past God has seen fit to use a lowly donkey and even simple fishermen to speak on His behalf.

Yet this all powerful god can seemingly do anything except to physically appear in front of people except in the bible of course Wink

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Re: Is Religion doomed to irrelevence in Australia?
Reply #53 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:04pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:55pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:32pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:20pm:

<< bows her head in prayer >>

Dear God

Would you PLEASE end this long running online feud btwn my friends Longweekend and Bobby as well as Last Nail. I know that I'm expecting a miracle here .. but it's ever so tiresome and I hate being caught up in the middle all the time. Amen

PS Please expedite this request.

The mere fact that God never answers this prayer and others like it is more proof that your god does not exist Wink

LOL

How do you know that God isnt already answering this prayer Mr Last Nail?

Have you been personally checking all His prayer request logs?

For the same reason that god never calls the fire brigade

1) God is defined as being omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
(see the definition at http://www.bartleby.com/61/21/G0172100.html)

2) An omniscient God would know of every house fire in the world.

3) An omnipotent God would be able to call the fire department when he saw a house fire.

4) A morally perfect God would call the fire department when he saw a house fire.

5) God never calls the fire department.

6) Therefore God doesn't exist.

As it so happens .. the Bible canvasses this very same issue (the issue of tempting Jesus to PROVE His power).

Matthew 4

After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.

The devil came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Jesus answered, “It is written: Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.”

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.

“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’

WOW. brilliant response and I am embarrassed that as a Biblical Scholar I didnt jump on that at the first opportunity!

Longweekend .. it matters not if we are Bible Scholars or not .. esp in view of the fact that in times past God has seen fit to use a lowly donkey and even simple fishermen to speak on His behalf.

very true. it was an excellent response tho. Thanks. It seems that people want proof of His power - not his existance. Perhaps that is why God chooses to speak softly and the only ones that hear are those that are listening.

Many have ears .. but that doesn't necessarily mean they're listening.

Also .. there are too many religious voices out there confusing/devastating genuine people who are wanting to know and understand God.

Religion has a lot to answer for in this regard. I also think it's important that we as Christians come clean about this reality.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Is Religion doomed to irrelevence in Australia? Reply #54 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:14pm Ahh here we are again .. passionately discussing/debating religion. This can only mean one thing .. IT MUST BE SATURDAY NIGHT EVERYONE lol Where is my friend Mr Helian?? He's usually about
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Re: Is Religion doomed to irrelevence in Australia?
Reply #55 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:15pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:11pm:

Many have ears .. but that doesn't necessarily mean they're listening.

Also .. there are too many religious voices out there confusing/devastating genuine people who are wanting to know and understand God.

Religion has a lot to answer for in this regard. I also think it's important that we as Christians come clean about this reality.

Hey Lisa have you ever asked yourself why all Gods are invisible or the ones that are visible are inanimate non living objects ?? Perhaps these gods don't actually exist except in ones imagination Wink

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Reply #56 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:17pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:11pm:

Many have ears .. but that doesn't necessarily mean they're listening.

Also .. there are too many religious voices out there confusing/devastating genuine people who are wanting to know and understand God.

Religion has a lot to answer for in this regard. I also think it's important that we as Christians come clean about this reality.

Hey Lisa have you ever asked yourself why all Gods are invisible or the ones that are visible are inanimate non living objects ?? Perhaps these gods don't actually exist except in ones imagination Wink

That's wrong Nail,
I worship the Sun God & he is visible every day. Grin

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Reply #57 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:17pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:34pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:32pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 5:20pm:

<< bows her head in prayer >>

Dear God

Would you PLEASE end this long running online feud btwn my friends Longweekend and Bobby as well as Last Nail. I know that I'm expecting a miracle here .. but it's ever so tiresome and I hate being caught up in the middle all the time. Amen

PS Please expedite this request.

The mere fact that God never answers this prayer and others like it is more proof that your god does not exist Wink

LOL

Excuse me .. how do you know that God isn't already answering this prayer Mr Last Nail?

Have you been personally checking all His prayer request logs?

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:10pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

Longweekend .. it matters not if we are Bible Scholars or not .. esp in view of the fact that in times past God has seen fit to use a lowly donkey and even simple fishermen to speak on His behalf.

Yet this all powerful god can seemingly do anything except to physically appear in front of people except in the bible of course Wink

Last Nail .. a few moments ago .. you essentially claimed to know all God's prayer request logs .. now you are essentially claiming to know all His actions also??

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Reply #58 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:17pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:11pm:

Many have ears .. but that doesn't necessarily mean they're listening.

Also .. there are too many religious voices out there confusing/devastating genuine people who are wanting to know and understand God.

Religion has a lot to answer for in this regard. I also think it's important that we as Christians come clean about this reality.

Hey Lisa have you ever asked yourself why all Gods are invisible or the ones that are visible are inanimate non living objects ?? Perhaps these gods don't actually exist except in ones imagination Wink

That's wrong Nail,
I worship the Sun God & he is visible every day. Grin

yes but a non living entity Wink

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49015 At my desk.	Re: Is Religion doomed to irrelevence in Australia? Reply #59 - Aug 27^th, 2011 at 6:20pm That is an unusual standard to apply.
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