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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Does anyone know why offshore processing started? Aug 31^st, 2011 at 9:30pm It's a simple question. The Greens will deny they know it because admitting it will destroy their self righteous pontification The left will tell you.......chances they don't know
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Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started?
Reply #1 - Aug 31^st, 2011 at 9:42pm

I was under the impression it was to stop people coming in the backdoor..

remember they were landing in far north WA..and no one knew they were there.. so thats when they got the navy to protect our borders which I thought was supposed to stop the boats turn them round or whatever.. anyway now they just guide them into the dock..

what bugs me about this whole thing is.. there are many many voices that complain about our detention methods..more fires up in Darwin today...yet these people in some cases have come from a lot worse.. and as we have been told those in Malaysia have been there longer and in worse conditions than these people will ever be..

I think the word has gone out Australia is a soft touch..and with all these refugee advocates..putting Australia down all the time.. those that have to wait are now throwing their weight around..

now the High Court has thrown this deal out.. we will be sitting ducks..I bet we break all records for boat arrivals befor Xmas... they are holding a loaded gun.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started? Reply #2 - Aug 31^st, 2011 at 9:53pm Correct cods - but what does this back door look like? ie what is the loophole they are jumping through?
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Reply #3 - Aug 31^st, 2011 at 10:36pm

"The detention center on the South Pacific island nation of Nauru was based on a Statement of Principles, signed on 10 September 2001"

"Federal elections were held in Australia on 10 November 2001".

"In July 2007, an unauthorised biography of John Howard claimed that he had received advice from the Attorney-General's Department that refusing the asylum seekers entry into Australia would breach international law, but that he did so to gain public support in the then upcoming election"

It seems that the correct answer is to help win the November 2001 federal election 2 months later.

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Reply #4 - Aug 31^st, 2011 at 10:48pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 31^st, 2011 at 10:36pm:

"The detention center on the South Pacific island nation of Nauru was based on a Statement of Principles, signed on 10 September 2001"

"Federal elections were held in Australia on 10 November 2001".

"In July 2007, an unauthorised biography of John Howard claimed that he had received advice from the Attorney-General's Department that refusing the asylum seekers entry into Australia would breach international law, but that he did so to gain public support in the then upcoming election"

It seems that the correct answer is to help win the November 2001 federal election 2 months later.

Yes but why did the offshore processing start?

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Reply #5 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 12:27am

Maqqa wrote on Aug 31^st, 2011 at 10:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 31^st, 2011 at 10:36pm:

"The detention center on the South Pacific island nation of Nauru was based on a Statement of Principles, signed on 10 September 2001"

"Federal elections were held in Australia on 10 November 2001".

"In July 2007, an unauthorised biography of John Howard claimed that he had received advice from the Attorney-General's Department that refusing the asylum seekers entry into Australia would breach international law, but that he did so to gain public support in the then upcoming election"

It seems that the correct answer is to help win the November 2001 federal election 2 months later.

Yes but why did the offshore processing start?

Baxter. Hippies surrounded it and tore it down and the refugees escaped. It was to keep tree-huggers / media / population away from detainees in a focus of protests.

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Reply #6 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 7:04am

Maqqa wrote on Aug 31^st, 2011 at 9:30pm:

It's a simple question.

The Greens will deny they know it because admitting it will destroy their self righteous pontification

The left will tell you.......chances they don't know

The Greens opposed the Pacific Solution as they oppose the current Malaysian solution regardless of the multiple reasons for stopping the boat people.

I don't agree with the Greens that no deterrant should be put in place, but the solutions both the Coalition and the government have proposed have been too harsh and the end result has been extremely costly. We're still forking out millions to those refugees who suffered under the Pacific solution.

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Reply #7 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 7:33am

Offshore processing started because Australian lawyers used a loophole in Australian laws to get asylum-seekers their refugee status

So as long as the asylum-seekers landed on the mainland - they are assured of refugee status

Even if security checks turns out against the asylum-seeker the Australian lawyers will use this loophole to keep them here.

The legal challenges are often costly and involve the media.

The Greens generally will jump on the bandwagon

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Reply #8 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 7:59am

Maqqa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 7:33am:

Offshore processing started because Australian lawyers used a loophole in Australian laws to get asylum-seekers their refugee status

So as long as the asylum-seekers landed on the mainland - they are assured of refugee status

Even if security checks turns out against the asylum-seeker the Australian lawyers will use this loophole to keep them here.

The legal challenges are often costly and involve the media.

The Greens generally will jump on the bandwagon

Almost but with that typical subjective view you use.

Yes off shore processing was introduced to prevent asylum seekers that used the boat method to get here from accessing our legal system and gaining the civil and human rights considerations in their assessment that we consider not negotiable for ourselves but not so important to anyone else that might be politically expendable. Don't forget that definitions were changed to prevent them officially landing in Australia if the hit Christmas Island first.

This was disposed of when the high court found that these people did have the right to use our legal system back in 08 i think. It didn't matter then because Kevin was changing things without thinking first at that time so the with the latest decision, reopening Nairu would not have the same effect that it had the first time. Actually i still doubt it had all that bigger effect anyway, to me the important bit is the temporary protection visa's. I don't get why they were such a big deal, maybe this could be explained to me as they make perfect sense really. We will protect you while your country gets back on its feet after all that is why these people are fleeing. I still prefer community absorption after a processing for health and security.

Yep this would probably see an increase in boats but the real answer is still regional not local to this problem and it is our superiority complex and xenophobia that stops use reaching the lasting solutions needed to remedy these issues.

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Reply #9 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 8:19am

I think Keating started it,but who cares now, this is the beginning of the end of this barbaric practice. Australia will once again be able to hold our heads high in the international community without the bigoted xenophobes like maqqa being able to manipulate policy. Cool

I SAY THANKYOU TO OUR HIGH COURT.

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Reply #10 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 8:23am

Maqqa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 7:33am:

Offshore processing started because Australian lawyers used a loophole in Australian laws to get asylum-seekers their refugee status

So as long as the asylum-seekers landed on the mainland - they are assured of refugee status

Even if security checks turns out against the asylum-seeker the Australian lawyers will use this loophole to keep them here.

The legal challenges are often costly and involve the media.

The Greens generally will jump on the bandwagon

we could end up like Malaysia with 90.000... if they could just walk in...

many groups were found wandering around the back hills of WA..some in dire straights...

maybe we should just hire the QE2 and have it anchored in Java and go from there... bugger the queue jumpers...oopps/..there isnt one is there I keep forgetting..pity about those 90.000 though

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Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started?
Reply #11 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 8:26am

skippy. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 8:19am:

I think Keating started it,but who cares now, this is the beginning of the end of this barbaric practice. Australia will once again be able to hold our heads high in the international community without the bigoted xenophobes like maqqa being able to manipulate policy. Cool

I SAY THANKYOU TO OUR HIGH COURT.

so where do you put your name down to take in the next boat load that arrives and take full responsibility..

shouldnt we all be putting our hands up to do our share?

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Reply #12 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 8:34am

cods wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 8:26am:

skippy. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 8:19am:

I think Keating started it,but who cares now, this is the beginning of the end of this barbaric practice. Australia will once again be able to hold our heads high in the international community without the bigoted xenophobes like maqqa being able to manipulate policy. Cool

I SAY THANKYOU TO OUR HIGH COURT.

so where do you put your name down to take in the next boat load that arrives and take full responsibility..

shouldnt we all be putting our hands up to do our share?

Put my name next to all these ex PMS
Menzies, Holt,Gorton,McMahon,Whitlam,Fraser,Hawke. Cool

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started? Reply #13 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 8:50am e: Does anyone know why offshore processing started? I know why it ended, its illegal,yay.Suck it up you bigoted xenophobes.
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Reply #14 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 8:52am

Maqqa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 7:33am:

Offshore processing started because Australian lawyers used a loophole in Australian laws to get asylum-seekers their refugee status

So as long as the asylum-seekers landed on the mainland - they are assured of refugee status

Even if security checks turns out against the asylum-seeker the Australian lawyers will use this loophole to keep them here.

The legal challenges are often costly and involve the media.

The Greens generally will jump on the bandwagon

Rubbish - all it did was to give them access to the Australian judicial system which meant that their rights including with refugee claims had to be handled properly or take the risk of being overturned.

There was no loophole to grant refugee status.

In reality off shore processing started because Mr Howard wanted to be able to say that We will deciede who comes to this country in his 2001 election campaign. That is literally all it was about.

Howards 10 Billion dollar election stunt.

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