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Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started?
Reply #30 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:45pm

cods wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:42pm:

The solution: the tiny Island of Nairu offered to take them for 10 million dollars and a purpose built facility. Subsequent facilities were built on Christmas Island and Manus Island in Papua New Guinea. The "Pacific Solution" was born.

$10mil seems a pittance compared to what we are paying now.. dont you think??,.. with no end in sight.

seems to me the people smugglers know more about what we can and cant do than this govt will ever know..

they have got to be laughing themselves stupid..and a s for the Indonesian govt how much are we paying them to put a stop to the smugglers.?? another waste of space that idea is..but its only money who cares..

Cost of 3 weeks of High Court challenge - $20M

The look on Gillard's face on Wednesday when they handed down their verdict - PRICELESS Grin

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Reply #31 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 11:54pm

Maqqa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:22pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 11:40am:

Yes I remember why.
It was to stop the ongoing endless and costly court appeals initiated by refugees who did not like the Immigration departments decision not to grant them refugee status.
But despite initiating these appeals which lengthened their stay behind bars and then refused to return home, would then riot, sew their lips together whilst on hunger strikes and wail at the left wing media because of the length of time they had to wait.
Howard stopped that rot, and Labor brought it all back via their incompetence.

CORRECT on all accounts

So the obvious conclusion is that your previous answer was incorrect if you now agree with this.

But still this was the position in place for years prior to the 2001 November election.

It was also interesting that for the 1998 election the Liberals staged the water front intervention and for the 2001 election there was a building industry enquiry due to present its findings about building industry unions prior to the election - along comes the Tampa and all of a sudden the building enquiry results are deferred till the following year.

The libs had a better minority group to exploit for votes.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14213 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started? Reply #32 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:09am Quote: Does anyone know why offshore processing started? We ALL do It was a way of DENYING human beings human ( ... and legal) RIGHTS - a GIVEN, under Australian, mainland LAW
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Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started?
Reply #33 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:28am

cods wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:42pm:

The solution: the tiny Island of Nairu offered to take them for 10 million dollars and a purpose built facility. Subsequent facilities were built on Christmas Island and Manus Island in Papua New Guinea.

The "PACIFIC FINAL SOLUTION" was born.

What KIND of society hands such DESPARATE people - in search of humanitarian compassion - a "purpose built facility" ?

I thought we'd moved on - since AUSCHWITZ ?

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Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started?
Reply #35 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:13am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 11:54pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:22pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 11:40am:

Yes I remember why.
It was to stop the ongoing endless and costly court appeals initiated by refugees who did not like the Immigration departments decision not to grant them refugee status.
But despite initiating these appeals which lengthened their stay behind bars and then refused to return home, would then riot, sew their lips together whilst on hunger strikes and wail at the left wing media because of the length of time they had to wait.
Howard stopped that rot, and Labor brought it all back via their incompetence.

CORRECT on all accounts

So the obvious conclusion is that your previous answer was incorrect if you now agree with this.

But still this was the position in place for years prior to the 2001 November election.

It was also interesting that for the 1998 election the Liberals staged the water front intervention and for the 2001 election there was a building industry enquiry due to present its findings about building industry unions prior to the election - along comes the Tampa and all of a sudden the building enquiry results are deferred till the following year.

The libs had a better minority group to exploit for votes.

No, the Libs had a problem and they fixed it.

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Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started?
Reply #36 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:34am

Our constitution gives anyone the right to challenge any decision made against them by an officer of the Commonwealth.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or even be living in Australia to be afforded this right....All that is required is the right forms and procedures to be followed.....Asylum seekers are innocent and are deemed as such by Australian law.....This bullshit about the back door and loopholes is pure right wing rhetoric.....The law supports the innocent not those trying to persecute them for political gain!!!

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Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started?
Reply #37 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:44am

Offshore processing started because Howard was part of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan which created a wave of refugees seeking asylum from rape, torture, domestic terrorism and persecution which occured with the destabilisation of those countries due to the Howard, Bush and Blair invasions. The offshore processing started to deflect the political resonsibility away from Australia and to create a political whipping boy for up coming elections.

Its quite simple really

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Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started?
Reply #38 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:47am

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:34am:

Our constitution gives anyone the right to challenge any decision made against them by an officer of the Commonwealth.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or even be living in Australia to be afforded this right....All that is required is the right forms and procedures to be followed.....Asylum seekers are innocent and are deemed as such by Australian law.....This bullshit about the back door and loopholes is pure right wing rhetoric.....The law supports the innocent not those trying to persecute them for political gain!!!

It's OUR Constitution - not THEIRS

So offshore solution was correct

And the Pacific Solution was the right action

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Reply #39 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:48am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:13am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 11:54pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:22pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 11:40am:

Yes I remember why.
It was to stop the ongoing endless and costly court appeals initiated by refugees who did not like the Immigration departments decision not to grant them refugee status.
But despite initiating these appeals which lengthened their stay behind bars and then refused to return home, would then riot, sew their lips together whilst on hunger strikes and wail at the left wing media because of the length of time they had to wait.
Howard stopped that rot, and Labor brought it all back via their incompetence.

CORRECT on all accounts

So the obvious conclusion is that your previous answer was incorrect if you now agree with this.

But still this was the position in place for years prior to the 2001 November election.

It was also interesting that for the 1998 election the Liberals staged the water front intervention and for the 2001 election there was a building industry enquiry due to present its findings about building industry unions prior to the election - along comes the Tampa and all of a sudden the building enquiry results are deferred till the following year.

The libs had a better minority group to exploit for votes.

No, the Libs had a problem and they fixed it.

A problem came up and they fixed it

Unlike Gillard where she created the problem and now CAN'T fix it

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Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started?
Reply #40 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:50am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:09am:

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Does anyone know why offshore processing started?

We ALL do
It was a way of DENYING human beings
human ( ... and legal) RIGHTS
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a GIVEN, under Australian, mainland LAW

They do have HUMAN rights - that's why no one has successfully challenged the Pacific Solution on human rights grounds

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Re: Does anyone know why offshore processing started?
Reply #42 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:54am

adelcrow wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:50am:

How many Iraq and Afghan asylum seekers were coming here each year before we invaded their counties?

by definition it should be less

before we "invaded" them there is a genuine reason to claim refugee status

but now they are liberated - there is no reason to leave

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Reply #43 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:54am

Maqqa and the rest of the tea baggers want Malaysia and Indonesia to carry the bulk of the responsibility of the refugee wave even though they had nothing to do with the creation of the asylum seekers, unlike Australia which dived into the invasions boots and all.
Howard helped create the asylum seekers and he didnt stop them from felling those war zones, he just pushed the problem onto our neighbours.

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Reply #44 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:55am

adelcrow wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:54am:

Maqqa and the rest of the tea baggers want Malaysia and Indonesia to carry the bulk of the responsibility of the refugee wave even though they had nothing to do with the creation of the asylum seekers, unlike Australia which dived into the invasions boots and all.
Howard helped create the asylum seekers and he didnt stop them from felling those war zones, he just pushed the problem onto our neighbours.

how did we create that problem?

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