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Abbott backs Howards calls to roll back IR laws
Sep 1^st, 2011 at 12:25am

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-31/abbott-backs-howard-on-ir-laws/2863890/?si...

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Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has given qualified support to John Howard's calls for a Coalition government to roll back Labor's IR reforms.

Saying the Gillard Government had swung "the pendulum to the other side", Mr Abbott endorsed the former prime minister's comments that Australia "has to wind back the re-regulation of the labour market".

Until now Mr Abbott has shied away from workplace reform, fearful of a repeat of the anti-WorkChoices campaign that helped topple the Howard government in 2007.

Last night on ABC TV's 7.30, Mr Howard said he would leave the tactics of labour reform to the Opposition.

But he said that "at some point this country has to wind back the re-regulation of the labour market".

"It's blindingly obvious that one of the worst mistakes Julia Gillard has made is to re-regulate the labour market. It is affecting our productivity and it will therefore affect our competitiveness," Mr Howard said.

Asked on Radio 3AW if he endorsed Mr Howard's remarks, Mr Abbott described Mr Howard as a "very, very shrewd observer" and added: "Essentially he is right."

"I think there is no doubt that the [Labor Government's] Fair Work legislation took the pendulum from one side and swung it right back to the other side," Mr Abbott said.

Asked if he meant deregulation of the labour market, Mr Abbott said: "I think we need freedom. I think we ought to be able to trust the businesses and the workers of Australia to come to arrangements which suit themselves."

Told that it sounds like "a version of WorkChoices", Mr Abbott moved to distance himself from the description.

"Look, we've gone over this time and time again. The fact of the matter is that it's in the past. It's absolutely in the past. We want to tackle the problems of now, not to dwell in the past."

I've said this so many times I'm almost blue in the face:

AS LONG AS ABBOTT IS THE OPPOSITION LEADER, WORKCHOICES WILL NEVER BE DEAD.

The Puppet master Howard is still very much a factor.

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azulene Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 701 Gender:	Re: Abbott backs Howards calls to roll back IR laws Reply #1 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 12:40am GoddyofOz wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 12:25am: The Puppet master Howard is still very much a factor. Thank God, I thought that muppet had no master...
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Abbott backs Howards calls to roll back IR laws Reply #2 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 6:42am That was the reason for Howard's demise, so there goes Abbott's chances of getting elected. Better the devil you know, Abbott's a dangerous fellow.
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Reply #3 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 6:53am

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I've said this so many times I'm almost blue in the face:

AS LONG AS ABBOTT IS THE OPPOSITION LEADER, WORKCHOICES WILL NEVER BE DEAD.

The Puppet master Howard is still very much a factor.

Howard is Abbott's mentor and will be until the day he carks it - that's a given. Abbott will always do his master's bidding.

Unfortunately the Reserve bank also seems to be pushing for a return to Workchoices.

Workchoices did improve a little when Howard brought in the Workchoices Ombudsman (forgotten what the dept. was called), but in this unstable economic climate it's obvious that there will be a return to the original harsh Workchoices of the Howard era when the Coalition is returned.

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Abbott backs Howards calls to roll back IR laws Reply #4 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 8:23am DEAD BURIED CREMATED and like all good religious themes RESURRECTED.
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Abbott backs Howards calls to roll back IR laws Reply #5 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 8:53am Yep if Abbott is elected work choices is back, that should ensure a 20 point poll turnaround when this little baby is saturated throughout the media come next election time.
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Reply #6 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 9:07am

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Asked on Radio 3AW if he endorsed Mr Howard's remarks, Mr Abbott described Mr Howard as a "very, very shrewd observer" and added: "Essentially he is right."

"I think there is no doubt that the [Labor Government's] Fair Work legislation took the pendulum from one side and swung it right back to the other side," Mr Abbott said.

And yet shrewd operators like Macca insist that the Gillard changes is only really a re badged workchoices, a tweak.

The fact is that the Liberals under workchoices and a series of other changes commencing with the 1996 industrial relations act moved the pendulum almost as far to the employer side as was possible.

Where Macca and most other semi honest commentators are right is that while Labors changes were in the right direction they did not go very far at all, better than the Liberal position but not good overall by any stretch of the imagination.

I would think that the position has gone from about 85% in the employers favour to about 65% in their favour.

Claiming that it has swung right back to the other side is ridiculous - not even Macca who calls it a tweak believes that rubbish.

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Abbott backs Howards calls to roll back IR laws Reply #7 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 9:53am Tony Abbott is such a childish coward, that he had to wait for the mature big guns in the Liberal Party to stand up in the media - before he was prepared to mention workplace reforms... Seriously, does anyone still think that Tony Abbott is mature enough to lead a party - much less a nation!?
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Abbott backs Howards calls to roll back IR laws Reply #8 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:03am This just proves Howard and the Libs never learned their lesson. If the polls were much tighter Howard would not have said anything, but because they think they have it in the bag they are being the cunning sly arseholes we all know they are, this will backfire on Abbott, and that is a great thing.
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Reply #9 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:36am

Equitist wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 9:53am:

Tony Abbott is such a childish coward, that he had to wait for the mature big guns in the Liberal Party to stand up in the media - before he was prepared to mention workplace reforms...

Seriously, does anyone still think that Tony Abbott is mature enough to lead a party - much less a nation!?

I have always lived under the notion that 'we' have had it' to easy for to long' and that it will backfire. Abbott is the answer to that. Maybe God is really behind it- putting him there to punish or discipline us, with his Battleline foray. After all I can not believe people are so easily fooled anymore and look at the standards they phraise from , says it all really.

I'm thinking I am starting to believe in a god. Because I am starting to believe there is a devil. As They both HAVE to go together.

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Reply #10 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:40am

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Equitist wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 9:53am:

Tony Abbott is such a childish coward, that he had to wait for the mature big guns in the Liberal Party to stand up in the media - before he was prepared to mention workplace reforms...

Seriously, does anyone still think that Tony Abbott is mature enough to lead a party - much less a nation!?

I have always lived under the notion that 'we' have had it' to easy for to long' and that it will backfire. Abbott is the answer to that. Maybe God is really behind it- putting him there to punish or discipline us, with his Battleline foray. After all I can not believe people are so easily fooled anymore and look at the standards they phraise from , says it all really.

I'm thinking I am starting to believe in a god. Because I am starting to believe there is a devil. As They both HAVE to go together.

YOU'RE AN IDIOT LOL LOL GROW UP Grin

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Abbott backs Howards calls to roll back IR laws Reply #11 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:40am Don't look now morons but Abbott is in opposition. It must be hard for you poor people, no one to support, just rehash shite to make a pathetic little point. But alas, do not despair, your government is now so far down the shitter that peace will be yours soon. RIP poor loops.
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Reply #12 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:51am

FriYAY wrote on Sep 1^st, 2011 at 10:40am:

Don't look now morons but Abbott is in opposition.

It must be hard for you poor people, no one to support, just rehash shite to make a pathetic little point.

But alas, do not despair, your government is now so far down the shitter that peace will be yours soon.

RIP poor loops.

I agree , pathetic little point s like this;

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/salvation-army-pulls-its-support-for-the-g...

Salvation Army pulls its support for the Gillard government's controversial poker machine cap

"The Gillard government needs to start listening to the Salvos and stop listening to Andrew Wilkie."

repeat, "The Gillard government needs to start listening to the Salvos and stop listening to Andrew Wilkie."

THE Salvation Army has pulled its support for the Gillard government's controversial pokies cap, putting Labor at odds with the nation's most iconic anti-gambling group.

The turnaround - which follows suggestions that clubs were prepared to bar Salvation Army collectors from their venues - will have major ramifications for the ALP.

Under the deal struck to form government, Prime Minister Julia Gillard must pass the reforms or lose the confidence vote of independent Andrew Wilkie.

The blow came at the hands of Louise Duff, the Salvo whose alleged verbal spray by MP Craig Thomson at a forum on the Central Coast sparked another crisis for the government.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Abbott backs Howards calls to roll back IR laws Reply #13 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 12:17pm From all the vehement opposition to industrial reforms by any name, I can deduce that the current policies are 100% perfect.
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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Abbott backs Howards calls to roll back IR laws Reply #14 - Sep 1^st, 2011 at 12:23pm I wonder what proportion of swinging voters, who have indicated in Opinion Polls that they would support an Abbott-led Tropposition, will ultimately risk giving Tony Abbott a semblance of a 'mandate' to resurrect the purportedly "dead, buried and cremated" EmployerChoices!?
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