Australian Politics Forum - Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #15 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:31pm

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Vote if Malcolm Turnbull Liberal Leader

Q. If Malcolm Turnbull was the leader of the Liberal Party (and Julia Gillard was leader of the Labor Party), to which party will you probably give your first preference vote if a Federal Election was held today? If not sure, which party would you lean toward?

First preference Total Gave vote
Liberal 44% 49%
National 4% 4%
Total Lib/Nat 48% 53%
Labor 28% 31%
Greens 7% 8%
Other/Independent 7% 8%
Don’t know 10%

If Malcolm Turnbull was leader of the Liberal Party (and Julia Gillard was leader of the Labor Party) 31% said they would give their first preference vote to Labor (down 1%) and 53% to the Liberal or National Parties (up 5%). The Greens vote drops 3% to 8%.

In two party preferred terms, this equates to 41% Labor/59% Liberal/National – a swing of 4% to Liberal/National.

Most of the increased Liberal/National vote comes from Labor voters – 13% of Labor voters said they would vote Liberal if Malcolm Turnbull was leader.

The group with the largest shift to Liberal/National was people on higher incomes.

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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party Reply #16 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:32pm Seems to be a bit of man love for Turnbull by both Thy and Woody. Interesting how our more leaning left want a more centre PM. Is Bobby Brown not good enough for you?
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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #17 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:35pm

Verge wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:32pm:

Seems to be a bit of man love for Turnbull by both Thy and Woody.

Interesting how our more leaning left want a more centre PM.

Is Bobby Brown not good enough for you?

I love him too. Grin

Whats wrong with a more "centre PM" I would have thought most people would want that considering MOST Australians are centrist themselves.
Lets face it, most people find the likes of us that write on forums like this boring as bat sh it.

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #18 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:36pm

skippy. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:35pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:32pm:

Seems to be a bit of man love for Turnbull by both Thy and Woody.

Interesting how our more leaning left want a more centre PM.

Is Bobby Brown not good enough for you?

I love him too. Grin

Whats wrong with a more "centre PM" I would have thought most people would want that considering MOST Australians are centrist themselves.
Lets face it, most people find the likes of us that write on forums like this boring as bat sh it.

You are also suppose to pick someone from your own party when you are a known party hack.

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #19 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:40pm

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:36pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:35pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:32pm:

Seems to be a bit of man love for Turnbull by both Thy and Woody.

Interesting how our more leaning left want a more centre PM.

Is Bobby Brown not good enough for you?

I love him too. Grin

Whats wrong with a more "centre PM" I would have thought most people would want that considering MOST Australians are centrist themselves.
Lets face it, most people find the likes of us that write on forums like this boring as bat sh it.

You are also suppose to pick someone from your own party when you are a known party hack.

Well my party is the GREENS, but I'm not silly enough to expect we can win the next election.
In my opinion, Turnbull is the best PM material in parliament, bar none from any party, including the GREENS, in fact.

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party Reply #20 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:03pm Interesting...last time I looked there were no YES votes - but now there's an equal number of YES, DEFINITELY and NO WAY!
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party Reply #21 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:07pm Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:03pm: Interesting...last time I looked there were no YES votes - but now there's an equal number of YES, DEFINITELY and NO WAY! Not hard when you come from zero to what, 4 lol.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party Reply #22 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:09pm The last person to split from the Libs to start a new party was Don Chip with the Democrats and once he retired they became a joke.
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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #23 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:45pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:09pm:

The last person to split from the Libs to start a new party was Don Chip with the Democrats and once he retired they became a joke.

It was different. He labelled them badly for a start, as 'there to keep the bastards honest'. I for one, think there's enough disasatifaction around to take a credible new party over the line from the off.

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #25 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 4:21pm

Grey wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:45pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:09pm:

The last person to split from the Libs to start a new party was Don Chip with the Democrats and once he retired they became a joke.

It was different. He labelled them badly for a start, as 'there to keep the bastards honest'. I for one, think there's enough disasatifaction around to take a credible new party over the line from the off.

I agree, Grey, things are different now - and not just politically...

The Liberal Party really is split right down the middle - there's those doGmatists from the religious right, who worship Abbott for his fighting win-at-all costs antics, and the more pragmatic and progressive moderates...

We also have the internet and the 24 hour news cycle - the latter of which, ironically, is what has given divisive and grandiose stunt-pullers like Abbott a platform...

That said, Malcolm Turnbull has already shown that he can withstand and deflect any punches that an intellectual and economic lightweight like Tony Abbott might throw his way...

Besides, Abbott is paranoid about Turnbull - for good reason - and perhaps to the point that he would seek to actively-undermine his pre-selection next time around...

What would happen, if Abbott forced Turnbull's hand - and the hands of his supporters!?

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #26 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 6:14pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 4:21pm:

Grey wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:45pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:09pm:

The last person to split from the Libs to start a new party was Don Chip with the Democrats and once he retired they became a joke.

It was different. He labelled them badly for a start, as 'there to keep the bastards honest'. I for one, think there's enough disasatifaction around to take a credible new party over the line from the off.

I agree, Grey, things are different now - and not just politically...

The Liberal Party really is split right down the middle - there's those doGmatists from the religious right, who worship Abbott for his fighting win-at-all costs antics, and the more pragmatic and progressive moderates...

We also have the internet and the 24 hour news cycle - the latter of which, ironically, is what has given divisive and grandiose stunt-pullers like Abbott a platform...

That said, Malcolm Turnbull has already shown that he can withstand and deflect any punches that an intellectual and economic lightweight like Tony Abbott might throw his way...

Besides, Abbott is paranoid about Turnbull - for good reason - and perhaps to the point that he would seek to actively-undermine his pre-selection next time around...

What would happen, if Abbott forced Turnbull's hand - and the hands of his supporters!?

If Abbott forced a spill? He'd win hands down. The Right don't do joined up thinking, one step is far enough, they'd never get rid of a leader who's led the party to poll victory. That's the ALP's one grain of solice Grin

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party Reply #27 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:05pm Hmmnnn...contrary to some of the comments, there's still only 6 votes for NO WAY!
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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #28 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 7:19pm

Grey wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 6:14pm:

Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 4:21pm:

Grey wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:45pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:09pm:

The last person to split from the Libs to start a new party was Don Chip with the Democrats and once he retired they became a joke.

It was different. He labelled them badly for a start, as 'there to keep the bastards honest'. I for one, think there's enough disasatifaction around to take a credible new party over the line from the off.

I agree, Grey, things are different now - and not just politically...

The Liberal Party really is split right down the middle - there's those doGmatists from the religious right, who worship Abbott for his fighting win-at-all costs antics, and the more pragmatic and progressive moderates...

We also have the internet and the 24 hour news cycle - the latter of which, ironically, is what has given divisive and grandiose stunt-pullers like Abbott a platform...

That said, Malcolm Turnbull has already shown that he can withstand and deflect any punches that an intellectual and economic lightweight like Tony Abbott might throw his way...

Besides, Abbott is paranoid about Turnbull - for good reason - and perhaps to the point that he would seek to actively-undermine his pre-selection next time around...

What would happen, if Abbott forced Turnbull's hand - and the hands of his supporters!?

If Abbott forced a spill? He'd win hands down. The Right don't do joined up thinking, one step is far enough, they'd never get rid of a leader who's led the party to poll victory. That's the ALP's one grain of solice Grin

I'm not so sure - Abbott seems to be losing touch, trust and respect with the rest of the shadow front bench - going it alone too much and taking far too many unnecessary risks...

The Turnbull issue must be addressed - cos he ain't gonna just go away...

Abbott's also polling badly personally - cos he doesn't know when to hold back nor when to let something go...

I reckon he's far too big a risk to keep at the helm...

As for the possibility of a split, I wouldn't be surprised if it has been canvassed as the only way of breaking the grip of the religious-righteous...

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #29 - Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 12:19am

Turnbull and his supporters doesn't have to start a new party the Australian Democrats is still a register party all he has to do is join them.

I think if we have another political party in Australia there would always be a minority government in Australia, and I don't mean one like the liberal national coalition. A party that would back either Liberal or Labor to form government and do what is best for Australia and not what is best for them or their supporters.

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